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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris on the power cast we are exploring

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some fascinating subjects today in fact

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livid later we'll be talking about

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writings on an unknown history what is

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that all about you'll find out right now

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let's talk about a few things first of

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all of course we have last week's

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episode featuring Ken Tommy's son Ken

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Thomas is the para political or

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conspiracy theorist of the ages he

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covers quite a bit of ground and that

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started a pretty active discussion in

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our forums now to be blunt about it now

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I should mention here I've got a letter

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from somebody who was a longtime

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listener who says we shouldn't be

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talking about the forum's Oh what you

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know we shouldn't be cut straight on the

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forums you know we really should not

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talk to the forum's we should keep that

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as a separate thing leave it on the

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boards but we're an interactive program

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we embrace our forum participants I mean

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we just had a wonderful roundtable with

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some of our active posters you know

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we're we're trying to move the whole

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paradigm of talk radio into an

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interactive realm all on the internet so

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what's the problem well what do you

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think you I think that what makes this

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show special is that we have that

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interactivity with our forms some shows

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they just take calls from listeners and

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that's it in our case because of the

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structure of the show and the fact that

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we do tape in advance we're not able yet

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I say yet they take calls from listeners

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but this way if you take calls the

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problem is that you can only take a few

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if the show is popular we hope that

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we're very popular you'll have lots of

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people fighting to get connected so you

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may have a hundred people calling you

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but you can only take five calls so

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therefore 95 people are left out with

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our forums anybody can join that's it

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anybody can join so why don't you follow

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a few simple Terms of Service you know

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get to abusive you don't commit illegal

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acts you get in there it's just as

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simple as that it's free if you go to

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forum dr. Peric ascom you are on equal

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footing with everybody including us we

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actually actively participate and

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interact with our listeners and our

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forum participants it's very important

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for us to have a give-and-take

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a dialogue established dialogues with

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folks out there who like us are really

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fascinated by the subjects that we cover

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and the key thing here is that we

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participate we don't simply hire some

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moderators who run the show for us we

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have moderators they're volunteers and

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they help keep things going but Chris

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and I go in there and we do our own work

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and we respond to people we talked to

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people because we don't consider

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ourselves better than anyone else in

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fact you know there are a lot of people

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they're really a lot smarter than we are

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so we work well with them so they take

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me to school we won't even get into that

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but but yeah there are some very very

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bright people at forum dr. Perik as calm

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and we're not selling anything there

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it's free okay

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it's rare you join it you participate or

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you don't participate you could lurk sit

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back learn another con man from the

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person question says we shouldn't be

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negative about past shows well if we got

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a guess - did a lousy job we didn't

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demonstrate a knowledge of his subject

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or said some really stupid things we're

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going to say so that's part of what the

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power cast has always been whether it's

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been me or Chris or a previous co-host

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when we have a show that didn't turn out

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the way we like we don't make excuses

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for it we tell you straight out we

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weren't happy if the guest yeah is a

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disappointment like a certain Verner

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Bach we're gonna tell you we back

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engineer it and you know we we dive in

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there with everybody else you know as a

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matter of fact I remember whenever a

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previous co-host

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he once put up a note on the power

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Castform saying this show is so bad

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don't listen to it now maybe that was

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going a bit too far we'd like to say

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listen to the show and come to your own

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conclusions I have a suspicion that

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particular episode in question got far

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more listeners because listeners were

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told not to listen no reverse psychology

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it's something like that it's like I

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guess there others shows up their rival

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shows who say don't listen to the power

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cast for one reason or another but we

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don't go on there and say don't listen

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to a show yes we'll rag on coast to

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coast am because it's the number one

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show in the field us because it has a

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number of failings that will criticize

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them for but we don't say don't listen

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to them you know we're no position to

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say that listen to whatever show you

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want or don't listen to whatever show

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you want if you don't like what we do

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don't listen if you like what we do

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we'll help you we'll continue to listen

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there you go meantime you're working on

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a new book Chris called stalking the

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herd right correct

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I remember the title very good you've

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been doing a lot of investigations of

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cattle deaths and mutilations anything

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new in that area yeah it's amazing how

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some subjects in the paranormal if you

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want to call cattle mutilations

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paranormal I think the more I get into

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it the less paranormal it appears to me

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but a lot of subjects in this in this

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realm a band flow and you know the whole

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idea of livestock deaths unexplained

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livestock to us have have been around

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since the late 60s and interest in it

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tends to ebb and flow and for some

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reason gene we've seen a real uptick in

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interest with the media in this subject

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and I've been contacted here in the last

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week or so by a number of programs in

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Canada the UK the US were interested in

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doing segments on this particular

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quote-unquote mystery and I find it

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intriguing that you know for months and

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months nobody professed any sort of

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interest and then in a single day I got

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all these phone calls I've you know if I

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was Ken Thomas maybe I'd be

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scratching my head going mm-hmm well I

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hate you scratching your head what's

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that noise it's a scratch let's see let

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me scratch do you hear that not really

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it just sounds like silly microphone

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noise stuff how's this one glistening

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did you hear that

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it feels good a little higher little

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higher women yep all right there Thanks

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ladies and gentlemen we're talking about

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psychic phenomena here Chris is 100

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miles from me if I could scratch his

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head and that's a real head-scratcher

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I'll tell you you know anyway back to

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the back to the herd back to the herd

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well I've been I've been posting a

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number of videos that I've taken over

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the years people have been dogging me

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for years why don't you have your video

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up on YouTube and quite frankly there's

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very little quality footage of real

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cattle mutilation cases up on the web

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and because I am gearing up to publish a

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book which I would hope to be the

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definitive look at demystifying the

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mystery of cattle mutilations so with

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which we can talk about but I've gone

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ahead and I've been slowly putting up

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some YouTube videos that feature some of

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my more intriguing cases that I

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videotaped back in the 90s and just to

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give listeners and viewers a sense of

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what it's like to be out in the field

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working with ranchers working with law

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enforcement and in documenting these

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very perplexing head-scratching cases

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we're gonna have to look for some really

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good sound effects some head scratching

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sound effects so whenever we have a head

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scratching case on the power cast ladies

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and gentlemen we will have the head

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scratching sound I'll look for a good

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don't think what I do there that doesn't

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preposterous I mean even for example in

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old radio when they had the sound of

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hoofbeats it wasn't a real horse was it

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tell us about our guest for today

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fascinating stuff oh boy I am really

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dey's para cast episode richard smoly

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his graduate of Harvard and Oxford and

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he is an extremely gifted writer number

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one he was an editor for enosis magazine

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for quite a number of years and he's

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written a book called Supernatural and

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I'm telling you gene this is going to be

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sitting by my bedside slowly getting

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annotated with little sticky notes and

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underlines this is really good stuff

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this is one of the the more gifted

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writers I think that the para cast has

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ever featured on the show and I'm really

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looking forward to getting his take on

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as he calls it the supernatural writings

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on an unknown history and this is write

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down the para cast ally Richard Smalley

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author of Supernatural coming up next on

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cast calm Richard Smalley author of

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supernatural joins us on the power cast

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this week the subtitle of the book is

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writings on an unknown history and it's

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a collection of papers that you did

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Richard welcome to the show

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and I think the cool thing to ask first

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is focusing so much of your life on a

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cult or esoteric studies how did that

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come about any personal experience

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involved or just your interests flew

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that way well I can't say that there

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have been any like really mine

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shattering experiences or any of that

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that would really stand out and kind of

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a conversion experience type way but I

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have always had this sense of something

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deeper going on than conventional

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reality would like to admit I've had an

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enormous appetite for this ever since I

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was young so and I've investigated some

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of these areas both you know in an

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intellectual way and in an experiential

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way so like something to say about it

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have you had any personal experiences

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that you thought were just real unusual

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yeah and this in a way I mean one that

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comes to mind is gives a good example of

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some of the things that I I guess would

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like to say about the paranormal about

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21 years ago I was doing a story on

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Native American spirituality and I went

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to spend a few days with a medicine man

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up in Nevada out in Nevada the

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preposition is and when I was leaving he

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had one of his people give me kind of a

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traditional blessing for my car on

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tobacco offerings in the six directions

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which is

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a pretty standard native-american

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practice and I thought well this was all

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very nice but I had a very weird

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experience while coming back and I was

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this is in Nevada I was living in

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California at the time and I was going

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home over the Donner summit in

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California this is not oh you know this

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is not a terribly late in the season it

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was like in late September I was in the

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fast lane and right behind me uh kind of

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pulling up right behind me it was this

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red sports car

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well caucuses of nauseous um so I am

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I'll just get out of his way that's fact

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so I did I pulled into the slow lane and

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the minute I did a freak storm appeared

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a freak snowstorm which they they were

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very very slippery and right before my

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eyes and behind my eyes I saw that

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sports car go right through a metal rail

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about a very very deep crevasse and you

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know I thought well you know is this

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paranormal in some sort of like really

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aqil central not really um you know

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there's nothing there that happened on

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that you know defies the laws of nature

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as such this could happen to anybody but

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I thought it was very very curious and

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but I thought I'd had it right after

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going this experience with this medicine

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man let me think about it and think

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there might be some connection so i

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guess i one thing i would say about

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paranormal experiences in general is

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they often take that form they're not

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necessarily ghost apparitions they're

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not necessarily UFO sightings although

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people have those as you know but

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something kind of funny happens and can

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never really quite place your finger on

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it even though you know the logical

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facts kind of break down and you know

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there was a storm and their storms over

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the Donner summit and you know I I was

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lucky enough to slow down and that kind

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of thing but it was it was curious to

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have that after that you know blessing

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by the medicine man's assistant that

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sounds rather synchronistic yeah I mean

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it's just you know it was very very

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peculiar and this particular medicine

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man whose name was Rolling Thunder and

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he's now feast but he was quite

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well-known and uh you mean well as in

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Rolling Thunder revue and the Bob Dylan

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tour in 76 yeah that was named after him

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and he was friendly with a lot of rock

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stars particularly in the seventies but

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you know he was also known for having

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certain power of controlling the weather

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now I have no reason to believe he

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called not that storm or anything like

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that but it was as you say synchronistic

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it had a certain kind of oddness about

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it that you know led me to think well I

429
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guess the real conclusion I got was you

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know you're dealing with someone here

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who actually has real power so uh don't

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do anything stupid or anything stupid

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about him there's now Rolling Thunder

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wasn't he he's was Lakota correct no he

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was part Cherokee Cherokee okay a little

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south he was more in East yeah and I

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mean he did live in Nirvana at the time

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he lived in mulana for a long time and

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died uh I think in the 90s a new book

440
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has just come out about him but um I

441
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don't remember the exact date so have

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you done much investigation and research

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into native Native American spirituality

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and there there are particular

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interesting insights into what the rest

446
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of us would call sort of paranormal or

447
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supernatural sort of forces energies

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practices a little bit it's certainly

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not an area that I'm an expert on but

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I've looked into it a little and one

451
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thing I guess I would say is that

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there's this very strong sense and you

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know psychologists eg you'll noted this

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but there is in a sense kind of a spirit

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of place that all of us share he he

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wrote a curious essay called the

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complications of American psychology in

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which you know a sense of what inning he

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was over here he said he saw kind of

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Native American characteristics and you

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know many people who are obviously not

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ethnically from that background it's an

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interesting area because I think it's

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it's it's an area where kind of a

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dominant you know majority culture needs

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to sort of figure out where exactly how

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do we fit in with the land um we're not

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like Europeans like the British you know

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the British I've been there for

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thousands and thousands of years you

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know they really go back to prehistory

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despite various conquests and whatnot

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and um you know although not everybody

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is like really into that stuff over

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there you do get a sense of a much

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greater integration with a landscape

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than you do

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among Americans you know particularly

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you know people you know you know Sam

480
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was you've only been here like a few

481
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generations so do you think that that

482
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might tie into why the UK is considered

483
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one of the more haunted places on the

484
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planet there there I seem to have read

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some pretty interesting sort of

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analogies of haunting sites and how

487
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England seems to be just rife with them

488
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there per capita I think there's more

489
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haunted sites in in England than any

490
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other place in the Western world do you

491
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think do you think this this tradition

492
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of being there for so many years lends

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itself to possibly layering these types

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of phenomenal effects and events and

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occurrences on to the populace as they

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progress through time

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Richard's answer will come in a moment

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we have Richard Smalley author of

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supernatural writings on an unknown

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history he'll answer Chris's question

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this what effective home security device

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is smaller than a coffee cup takes up

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burglars into thinking someone is home

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at your house while you were away plugs

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into any wall outlet is recommended by

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many police departments and sells for

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less than $35 yes

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it's fake TV this year about 1 in every

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50 US homes we'll have a break in with

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burglars usually picking the easy

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targets a dark house that looks like no

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one is home fake TV is a small

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electronic security device that makes it

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look like someone is home watching TV by

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simulating the light from a real TV it's

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like a lamp on a timer but far more

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convincing and for only 3495 fake TV

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could be the difference between coming

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home to secure house or one

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545
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first to sell MRE pouches to the public

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and were still selling them almost 30

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572
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573
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575
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talking to Richard Smalley he's author

576
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it reads classy and it looks classy and

578
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Chris asked a question about the greater

579
00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:33,470
prevalence of unusual events say

580
00:27:39,310 --> 00:27:36,440
hauntings in the UK Richard yeah I lived

581
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:39,320
in the UK for a couple of years as a

582
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:41,570
student that was my impression that

583
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:43,970
there was a great deal more of that and

584
00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:46,250
there's you know a great deal more lore

585
00:27:51,610 --> 00:27:49,640
about it I think one reason that you

586
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:51,620
know this is kind of practical is that

587
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,130
the houses are much older you know you

588
00:28:01,120 --> 00:27:57,200
know for us an old house is you know

589
00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:01,130
house it's a hundred years old it

590
00:28:06,130 --> 00:28:03,710
Britain an old house is yes that was

591
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:06,140
just built yesterday right yeah you know

592
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:08,360
an old house someone might you know well

593
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:10,010
be living in the house that was built in

594
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:11,810
the time of Henry the eighth or

595
00:28:16,450 --> 00:28:14,510
something like that here by the way you

596
00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:16,460
move into a house that old and falls

597
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:20,270
apart next week there's always that

598
00:28:25,780 --> 00:28:23,210
problem too I I'm not big on maintenance

599
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:25,790
myself so it might not be the ideal

600
00:28:31,180 --> 00:28:29,360
person to have a house like that but I

601
00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:31,190
think you know if something has been

602
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:34,070
inhabited for you know 400 years or so

603
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,130
there's a lot more that's going on there

604
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:39,200
a lot more deaths that have happened

605
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:40,730
there are a lot more people who've gone

606
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:43,010
through it a lot more people who are

607
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:44,690
likely to have left some kind of psychic

608
00:28:49,690 --> 00:28:47,450
mark a residue on it so I think that you

609
00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:49,700
know is definitely part of the scene

610
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:52,460
over there and certainly not every but

611
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,370
not every old house is haunted but you

612
00:29:00,120 --> 00:28:56,720
know you certainly hear a lot more

613
00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:00,130
stories about it a friend of mine who

614
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:02,990
has I think his father's family

615
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,810
originally came from Dublin area you

616
00:29:10,090 --> 00:29:07,760
know told me about staying at this old

617
00:29:12,340 --> 00:29:10,100
house and having this old man come into

618
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:12,350
his room one night who I guess was

619
00:29:18,790 --> 00:29:15,590
deceased well that brings up to mind

620
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:18,800
China India parts of Africa where you

621
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:21,350
have very very ancient dwellings that

622
00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:23,570
have been continuously inhabited for

623
00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:25,550
many generations

624
00:29:32,260 --> 00:29:29,080
do you see kind of a correlation between

625
00:29:33,850 --> 00:29:32,270
the actual proximity and age of a

626
00:29:36,090 --> 00:29:33,860
dwelling and the amount of people that

627
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:36,100
have have cycled through there as

628
00:29:42,210 --> 00:29:39,320
perhaps lending itself to more of a

629
00:29:45,790 --> 00:29:42,220
prevalence of potential haunting or

630
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:45,800
residual type psychic effects yeah I

631
00:29:49,780 --> 00:29:47,510
think so I mean you know what are the

632
00:29:51,700 --> 00:29:49,790
most haunted parts of the US or you know

633
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:51,710
what are at least thought to be the most

634
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:54,200
haunted parts of the US well probably

635
00:29:59,260 --> 00:29:57,050
New England is high up there and New

636
00:30:01,600 --> 00:29:59,270
England where I'm from you know has its

637
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:01,610
own rather special sometimes spooky feel

638
00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:04,580
of its own and I guess the other place I

639
00:30:08,410 --> 00:30:06,140
would say that has a lot is the south

640
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:08,420
and you know those are both parts of the

641
00:30:13,810 --> 00:30:10,850
US that have been inhabited the longest

642
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:13,820
not by European standards it's still not

643
00:30:16,210 --> 00:30:15,620
very few no four hundred years not there

644
00:30:19,660 --> 00:30:16,220
in lon

645
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:19,670
but you know for us it's a long time so

646
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:21,830
yeah I think that's and in China and

647
00:30:29,290 --> 00:30:25,730
India there and this is a subject I'm

648
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:29,300
interested in I I think one has to also

649
00:30:35,530 --> 00:30:32,780
take into account and and there aren't

650
00:30:37,330 --> 00:30:35,540
really words to describe this but kind

651
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:37,340
of a culture has its own psychic

652
00:30:46,650 --> 00:30:40,780
landscape and in a curious sort of way

653
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:46,660
the beliefs the practices of culture

654
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:50,870
create a certain kind of landscape where

655
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:53,810
things are more likely to happen you

656
00:30:59,910 --> 00:30:56,930
know the spirituality of India is quite

657
00:31:01,780 --> 00:30:59,920
a different place and you know a lot of

658
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:01,790
events that we would consider a

659
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:05,750
paranormal or you know regarded you know

660
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:08,960
in a fairly matter-of-fact way and I

661
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:10,850
have to say that that part of the reason

662
00:31:17,980 --> 00:31:15,440
for that must be that um you know the

663
00:31:21,010 --> 00:31:17,990
culture just accepts it so well whereas

664
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:21,020
here I mean everybody you know I mean

665
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:22,730
you have to at least pay lip service to

666
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,330
skepticism right you know you have to

667
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:28,880
you know if you don't kind of pretend to

668
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,690
be skeptical

669
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:31,279
people just think you're kind of

670
00:31:37,810 --> 00:31:34,970
credulous well you should visit the para

671
00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:37,820
cast forum sometime that's that's an

672
00:31:42,610 --> 00:31:40,460
understatement you know yeah and there's

673
00:31:45,580 --> 00:31:42,620
and you know skepticism about the

674
00:31:47,289 --> 00:31:45,590
paranormal has become kind of a quasi

675
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:47,299
religion in its own right as you know

676
00:31:52,659 --> 00:31:50,600
you know and a lot of it you know the

677
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:52,669
so-called skeptics are you know they're

678
00:31:58,869 --> 00:31:55,549
true believers as much as you know any

679
00:32:00,639 --> 00:31:58,879
any devotee of any religion is oh here

680
00:32:03,399 --> 00:32:00,649
here thank you so much for saying that

681
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:03,409
yeah I mean you know yeah you you follow

682
00:32:06,749 --> 00:32:05,750
this field so you know exactly what I'm

683
00:32:10,779 --> 00:32:06,759
talking about

684
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:10,789
so collective belief is a very powerful

685
00:32:14,860 --> 00:32:12,049
thing and I don't think it's very well

686
00:32:18,610 --> 00:32:14,870
understood and I don't think it's been

687
00:32:21,730 --> 00:32:18,620
very well studied I read a fascinating

688
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:21,740
book a couple of years ago was by a

689
00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:23,960
Russian then bekhterev it was a

690
00:32:29,529 --> 00:32:26,120
psychologist in the early 20th century

691
00:32:34,269 --> 00:32:29,539
who because it was entitled collective

692
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:34,279
reflexology and it was a study of how

693
00:32:41,230 --> 00:32:38,090
moods and impulses passed between crowds

694
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:41,240
and he sort of thought there was almost

695
00:32:47,139 --> 00:32:44,000
like a you know kind of kind of like an

696
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:47,149
electrical impulse that you know could

697
00:32:50,889 --> 00:32:49,100
just pass through a cloud now he lived

698
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:50,899
through the Russian Revolution and a lot

699
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:53,210
of the anecdotes he describes it was

700
00:32:57,820 --> 00:32:54,950
Russian Revolution where you know people

701
00:33:00,850 --> 00:32:57,830
just suddenly had went crazy and kill

702
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:00,860
somebody uh for no apparent reason so he

703
00:33:06,879 --> 00:33:04,370
had a lot of material to study but I

704
00:33:09,580 --> 00:33:06,889
think we have to get a lot more serious

705
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:09,590
in at least recognizing that collective

706
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,080
belief you know has a real role to play

707
00:33:17,470 --> 00:33:14,480
and how we perceive reality and what

708
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:17,480
what we perceive reality to be so would

709
00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:19,159
you be saying then would you be saying

710
00:33:23,950 --> 00:33:22,100
then that the collective belief may in

711
00:33:30,190 --> 00:33:23,960
and of itself create some of that

712
00:33:32,019 --> 00:33:30,200
reality with 2012 and the Kali Yuga I

713
00:33:35,259 --> 00:33:32,029
mean these are two chapters in your book

714
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:35,269
that I found very fascinating with all

715
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,769
this media hype about this 2012 and the

716
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:42,080
end of the Mayan calendar

717
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:44,110
nineteen calendars and none of a manned

718
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:48,640
by digress but where do we see a

719
00:33:54,730 --> 00:33:52,399
manifestation of this kind of Riptide of

720
00:33:57,940 --> 00:33:54,740
belief surrounding 2012

721
00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:57,950
what do you views on that well I think

722
00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:00,620
the 2012 phenomenon is very interesting

723
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:04,149
in a way that's often been overlooked

724
00:34:12,190 --> 00:34:08,330
now in the West you know particularly

725
00:34:15,369 --> 00:34:12,200
since Christianity triumphs there's

726
00:34:17,530 --> 00:34:15,379
always been this very strong apocalyptic

727
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:17,540
impulse that is to say this impulse to

728
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:19,040
believe at the end of the world is at

729
00:34:24,700 --> 00:34:21,530
hand there's even a website somewhere

730
00:34:26,379 --> 00:34:24,710
that that kind of lists every year that

731
00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:26,389
someone predicted will be the end of the

732
00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:28,820
world you know there are a lot of years

733
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:30,980
in the last few thousand pages and pages

734
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:33,919
and pages pages you know not maybe not

735
00:34:38,190 --> 00:34:36,470
every year but pretty close to it so is

736
00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:38,200
there's this again this collective

737
00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:41,300
expectation um you know apocalypse I

738
00:34:45,940 --> 00:34:43,369
mean you can see you know the tabloids

739
00:34:48,570 --> 00:34:45,950
play on it you know the kind of the more

740
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:48,580
sensationalistic tabloids playing on it

741
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:53,020
and it's it's very very deeply ingrained

742
00:35:00,820 --> 00:34:56,389
in uh you know the way Western people

743
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,830
think now at the same time people the

744
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:02,480
culture itself has been detaching itself

745
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:05,960
from Christianity much more than it was

746
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:11,359
even a generation ago if there's you

747
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:13,910
know more people who identify themselves

748
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:16,730
as non-affiliated there's you know a

749
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,920
religious belief spiritual belief maybe

750
00:35:23,380 --> 00:35:20,000
as strong as ever

751
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:23,390
but it's certainly less and less links

752
00:35:34,329 --> 00:35:26,990
to any kind of institutional or dogmatic

753
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:34,339
belief so you have people who are you

754
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:36,170
know you know a kind of a cultural

755
00:35:43,329 --> 00:35:41,210
collective mindset that in you know has

756
00:35:46,780 --> 00:35:43,339
this real background in apocalypse and

757
00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:46,790
expectation at the end of the world and

758
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:49,070
kind of an increased kind of lack of

759
00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:51,530
interest in Christianity which is the

760
00:35:55,620 --> 00:35:54,080
you know chief language in which this is

761
00:35:58,590 --> 00:35:55,630
usually then for

762
00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:58,600
elated so what I find interesting about

763
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:01,480
the 2012 phenomenon is that you know it

764
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:04,350
is this kind of typical apocalyptic

765
00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:07,750
scenario at least that's what it was

766
00:36:16,050 --> 00:36:12,520
turned into but for the first time in in

767
00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:16,060
Western history the mythos behind it was

768
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:18,700
not Christian or judeo-christian it was

769
00:36:23,070 --> 00:36:21,250
not of a native culture I'll tell you

770
00:36:25,610 --> 00:36:23,080
what we'll go into more of Mayan

771
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:25,620
mysteries and all sorts of unusual

772
00:36:30,270 --> 00:36:28,000
phenomena we have Richard Smalley the

773
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:30,280
book is called supernatural and you have

774
00:36:34,140 --> 00:36:31,810
the supernatural gene and the

775
00:36:36,300 --> 00:36:34,150
supernatural Chris and it has nothing

776
00:36:38,610 --> 00:36:36,310
whatever to do with a TV show of a

777
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:38,620
similar name because you're in the para

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880
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hear stuff here that you probably won't

881
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hear anywhere else hear that George

882
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snoring Richard somolia author of

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supernatural joins Jane and Chris I'm

884
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the para cast and we were looking I

885
00:41:27,370 --> 00:41:24,620
guess here at collective realities and

886
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:27,380
maybe I go back to what Carl Jung said

887
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:28,610
in the 50s when they wrote this book

888
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:31,250
about UFOs they're your modern myth of

889
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:33,770
things seen in the sky etc etc whether

890
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:36,440
if enough people believe in ghosts or

891
00:41:41,830 --> 00:41:39,350
UFOs they shall come are we focusing on

892
00:41:44,350 --> 00:41:41,840
that a little bit yeah or at least

893
00:41:46,540 --> 00:41:44,360
people are gonna experience from I mean

894
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:46,550
to take another example

895
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:50,000
I remember reading a description on you

896
00:41:56,020 --> 00:41:52,010
know a witch trial from I don't know

897
00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:56,030
maybe 1600 or so several years ago and

898
00:42:02,410 --> 00:41:59,330
this man testifying in court because

899
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this was a this was a real trial a real

900
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legal procedure testified you know to

901
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:07,670
the jury that he had turned himself into

902
00:42:13,900 --> 00:42:11,060
his into a totem and you know the jury

903
00:42:15,940 --> 00:42:13,910
and the judge took him at his word you

904
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:15,950
know and this was like you know serious

905
00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:18,410
factual you know procedure this was

906
00:42:25,390 --> 00:42:20,300
right and they frog walked into the

907
00:42:27,970 --> 00:42:25,400
burning stake well I'm sure they did but

908
00:42:31,090 --> 00:42:27,980
the thing about it is that at that point

909
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,100
um the view of reality was such that

910
00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:34,160
yeah you could turn yourself into a frog

911
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:38,660
or a toad and you know I do some go to

912
00:42:46,060 --> 00:42:43,010
evil that way people believed it and no

913
00:42:48,370 --> 00:42:46,070
one questioned it as a piece of factual

914
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:48,380
testimony whereas if someone you know

915
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said that today you know then you know

916
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:52,880
they would get off on an insanity plea

917
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:55,610
right well no they did accuse him of

918
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actually licking Bufo Valerius the do

919
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:02,500
[Laughter]

920
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:05,990
that's what one psychedelic drug that

921
00:43:09,740 --> 00:43:07,690
hasn't really gotten incredibly popular

922
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,750
over here I don't know

923
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:11,760
I don't know if that's due to come or

924
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:15,450
not yeah when in doubt lick the toad

925
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:17,910
well if it's I enough reality shows

926
00:43:24,740 --> 00:43:22,170
people will embrace it okay yeah and

927
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:24,750
that's a you know I mean that there's a

928
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,020
lot of reality shows and a lot of you

929
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:29,520
know kind of mass interest in the

930
00:43:38,030 --> 00:43:34,800
paranormal is in a way there's it's

931
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,040
there's like a there's a universal kind

932
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:40,980
of I would say human need to believe

933
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:43,890
that there's more to reality than you

934
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:45,480
know what an eighth grade science

935
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:48,090
textbook is going to tell you well I'm

936
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:49,830
not sure I I think the younger

937
00:43:57,260 --> 00:43:53,250
generation I mean we're talking jaded I

938
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:57,270
mean they it doesn't matter what sort of

939
00:44:00,920 --> 00:43:59,040
belief system you come up with they're

940
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:00,930
gonna have some sort of comeback and

941
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:03,810
some jaded sort of cynical response that

942
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:06,960
is going to you know put a humorous spin

943
00:44:11,570 --> 00:44:09,210
on it but negated at the same time I I

944
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:11,580
think at least in this country we're

945
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:14,250
seeing we're seeing a trend towards the

946
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opposite where people are so jaded

947
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:19,320
they're so overwhelmed by the media and

948
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:22,710
all these these subjects that you know

949
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:24,900
just don't really the grip younger

950
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people I think we're seeing a some sort

951
00:44:33,859 --> 00:44:29,790
of like swayed to the opposite end of

952
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the spectrum that could be I mean I you

953
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,570
know I I mean you could you could say a

954
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lot of things about youth culture and I

955
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wouldn't be able to really say you know

956
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:44,670
whether you're right or wrong I my

957
00:44:49,010 --> 00:44:47,700
experience of youth culture you know it

958
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came from teaching in the community

959
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,859
college for a few years in Massachusetts

960
00:44:57,950 --> 00:44:54,720
but um you know even though it's been a

961
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:57,960
while back yeah I think there's this

962
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:01,560
jaded miss but you know there's still an

963
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:03,839
enormous amount of belief in things like

964
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:07,200
the afterlife belief in God you know I

965
00:45:11,900 --> 00:45:10,560
mean if you believe the polls you know

966
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:11,910
the block ninety percent of people

967
00:45:16,579 --> 00:45:14,010
believe in God or at least some sort of

968
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Supreme Being or some sort of higher

969
00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:19,470
power or one thing that that's always

970
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:23,660
fascinated me is when they do polls

971
00:45:29,049 --> 00:45:27,680
police and reincarnation and I've seen a

972
00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:29,059
number of these you know they've been

973
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:30,589
conducted over the last couple of

974
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:34,480
decades and they're pretty consistent

975
00:45:39,940 --> 00:45:36,890
they always the numbers always seem to

976
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,950
end up someplace between 21 and 28

977
00:45:46,210 --> 00:45:41,900
percent of the US population that

978
00:45:49,329 --> 00:45:46,220
believes in reincarnation how many these

979
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:49,339
are young people and how many are older

980
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:51,770
people I don't really know but there is

981
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:54,740
still you know a lot of belief in in in

982
00:45:58,809 --> 00:45:56,420
these things I wanted one of things I

983
00:46:01,630 --> 00:45:58,819
found fascinating about one of those it

984
00:46:06,329 --> 00:46:01,640
was a Harris Poll I remember from 2007

985
00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:06,339
that said that indeed 21 percent of

986
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:09,049
Americans are believed in reincarnation

987
00:46:15,819 --> 00:46:12,530
and 25 percent of American Catholics

988
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:15,829
believe in it which is kind of curious

989
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,730
given that um you know so the the more

990
00:46:24,220 --> 00:46:21,680
Catholics who believe in reincarnation

991
00:46:25,870 --> 00:46:24,230
than in the population as a whole even

992
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:25,880
though their own church has always

993
00:46:30,339 --> 00:46:28,609
taught against it so what's going on

994
00:46:32,650 --> 00:46:30,349
there you know I mean I think one thing

995
00:46:34,299 --> 00:46:32,660
is that people at least like to think of

996
00:46:37,539 --> 00:46:34,309
themselves as very independent minded

997
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:37,549
and you know just because the church

998
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:39,920
says so you know doesn't mean they're

999
00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:40,880
gonna buy it

1000
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:42,980
man that I think you know it's one

1001
00:46:46,930 --> 00:46:45,410
element of the jaded this and you know

1002
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:46,940
skepticism I think that you're talking

1003
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,510
about but I think they're still you know

1004
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:52,880
an enormous appetite for belief in that

1005
00:46:59,620 --> 00:46:56,450
sort of thing I mean the most obvious um

1006
00:47:02,079 --> 00:46:59,630
one you know and I'm sure you dealt with

1007
00:47:03,539 --> 00:47:02,089
this on your show is you know the

1008
00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:03,549
fascination with a near-death experience

1009
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:06,740
um you know there's there's so many

1010
00:47:11,819 --> 00:47:08,920
near-death experiences so many

1011
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:11,829
bestsellers out about near-death

1012
00:47:18,549 --> 00:47:14,990
experiences there's a real appetite for

1013
00:47:21,339 --> 00:47:18,559
it and and um you know that's you know

1014
00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:21,349
there's you know some jaded this about

1015
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:24,950
it um but there's still you know a lot

1016
00:47:30,789 --> 00:47:29,270
of real interest and desire to know you

1017
00:47:32,380 --> 00:47:30,799
know not necessarily to believe it to

1018
00:47:34,779 --> 00:47:32,390
know you know that there are other

1019
00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:34,789
realities beyond you know the ones that

1020
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:37,250
we normally take for granted yeah absol

1021
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:40,250
we had PMH Atwater as one of our guests

1022
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:42,170
here a couple of months back and we had

1023
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:44,690
a fascinating discussion about the whole

1024
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:46,640
subject of near-death experiences but

1025
00:47:52,359 --> 00:47:49,430
but in your in your book the dice game

1026
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:52,369
of Shiva one of the things that I was

1027
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:55,670
really struck by is that you showed that

1028
00:48:00,609 --> 00:47:57,770
consciousness is is not just a mere

1029
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:00,619
side-effect of neural processes but it

1030
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:02,990
somehow is tied in to how the universe

1031
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:05,210
actually functions there's there's some

1032
00:48:10,750 --> 00:48:09,740
sort of like mechanistic connection

1033
00:48:16,030 --> 00:48:10,760
there yeah

1034
00:48:19,589 --> 00:48:16,040
how does belief and in actual the

1035
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,599
process of consciousness where do we see

1036
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:22,400
that sort of combining together in a

1037
00:48:29,650 --> 00:48:26,810
collective sense yeah that's a that's a

1038
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:29,660
pretty intricate question you know I

1039
00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:32,270
mean the dice game of Shiva is the

1040
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:34,460
previous book I wrote it was published

1041
00:48:42,910 --> 00:48:38,440
in 2009 it was a study of consciousness

1042
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:42,920
and basically what I was trying to say

1043
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:45,170
in that book is and I defined

1044
00:48:50,770 --> 00:48:47,089
consciousness which a lot of books on

1045
00:48:54,130 --> 00:48:50,780
consciousness don't do as the capacity

1046
00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:54,140
to relate self and honor and this is

1047
00:48:58,200 --> 00:48:56,540
true kind of at all in all ways and it

1048
00:49:04,120 --> 00:48:58,210
all rattles

1049
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:04,130
so that um consciousness is just not it

1050
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:05,839
now as you say kind of an epiphenomenon

1051
00:49:10,540 --> 00:49:08,330
of the brain that's limited to humans

1052
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:10,550
and therefore kind of like this weird

1053
00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:13,130
aberration but it's present in all

1054
00:49:20,349 --> 00:49:17,030
things in some form or another I mean I

1055
00:49:23,290 --> 00:49:20,359
in that um the book I quoted uh an

1056
00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:23,300
interview with Edison who said you know

1057
00:49:27,940 --> 00:49:25,700
all of these these chemicals are and are

1058
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:27,950
able to interact with each other you

1059
00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:29,450
know and all these marvelous ways do you

1060
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:30,680
need to say they do that without some

1061
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:33,980
kind of consciousness that is to say you

1062
00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:35,150
know it's nothing like you know they

1063
00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:36,830
have conscious will in the way that we

1064
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:40,599
do but at some level in some way a

1065
00:49:48,010 --> 00:49:44,089
hydrogen atom has to know how to

1066
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:48,020
recognize an oxygen atom and reactant in

1067
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:50,480
a certain way and of circumstances to

1068
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:51,490
produce

1069
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:53,770
the way I'm seeing it so that that

1070
00:49:59,340 --> 00:49:56,260
consciousness you know is organic to

1071
00:50:05,340 --> 00:49:59,350
everything and our consciousness is only

1072
00:50:08,099 --> 00:50:05,350
a very very very small slice of that you

1073
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:08,109
know even supposedly inanimate things do

1074
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:08,680
possess

1075
00:50:13,530 --> 00:50:12,010
consciousness in a way you know we all

1076
00:50:16,859 --> 00:50:13,540
know plants have you know certain types

1077
00:50:20,099 --> 00:50:16,869
of consciousness you know that concede

1078
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:20,109
life of plants so that's that's the

1079
00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:22,030
that's the answer to that part of the

1080
00:50:27,330 --> 00:50:24,820
question you know there's but I think

1081
00:50:29,690 --> 00:50:27,340
you're also asking about you know in

1082
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:29,700
training consciousness in training other

1083
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:32,880
aspects of consciousness together into

1084
00:50:39,090 --> 00:50:36,880
some sort of kind of a formula where

1085
00:50:41,849 --> 00:50:39,100
it's like a self creating and

1086
00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:41,859
self-fulfilling prophecy you know going

1087
00:50:46,170 --> 00:50:43,960
back to the the top of our particular

1088
00:50:49,230 --> 00:50:46,180
conversation there about 2012 and and

1089
00:50:51,170 --> 00:50:49,240
the power belief and collective you know

1090
00:50:54,420 --> 00:50:51,180
the collective consciousness actually

1091
00:50:57,630 --> 00:50:54,430
manifesting something just out of pure

1092
00:51:00,210 --> 00:50:57,640
belief and in focusing you know

1093
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:00,220
collectively on something to such an

1094
00:51:04,260 --> 00:51:01,930
extent that you actually you know

1095
00:51:07,590 --> 00:51:04,270
manifest that which your your your

1096
00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:07,600
obsessing with this is a question that

1097
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:09,670
will pursue in our next segment because

1098
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:11,020
we have another kind of collective

1099
00:51:14,849 --> 00:51:13,030
unconscious to explore right now the

1100
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:14,859
collective unconscious of our sponsors

1101
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:16,810
working together to convince you to buy

1102
00:51:21,150 --> 00:51:19,090
their products or services so we could

1103
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,160
stay on the air isn't that good that was

1104
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:22,720
good gene I know I'm going to patent

1105
00:51:25,740 --> 00:51:24,250
that and we can sell it next week the

1106
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:25,750
book is supernatural from Richard

1107
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:27,760
Smalley with gene and Chris you're in

1108
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the para cast

1109
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1110
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1127
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1128
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1129
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1130
00:52:26,859 --> 00:52:25,040
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1131
00:52:28,540 --> 00:52:26,869
bank having it led back at interest

1132
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:28,550
forcing taxes to service debt this

1133
00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:30,440
capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

1134
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:31,880
stating a central bank issuing the

1135
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,530
public currency is a greater menace to

1136
00:52:36,010 --> 00:52:34,640
the liberties of the people than a

1137
00:52:37,450 --> 00:52:36,020
standing army today understand I'm

1138
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:37,460
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1139
00:52:42,730 --> 00:52:39,290
that explains our monetary system call

1140
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:42,740
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1141
00:52:51,220 --> 00:52:45,950
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1142
00:52:53,260 --> 00:52:51,230
that's 800 686 to 237 can heart and body

1143
00:52:54,670 --> 00:52:53,270
extract help with other ailments besides

1144
00:52:56,290 --> 00:52:54,680
heart conditions high blood pressure

1145
00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:56,300
clogged arteries or unbalanced

1146
00:53:00,990 --> 00:52:58,580
cholesterol it did for Karen I've been

1147
00:53:03,849 --> 00:53:01,000
using heart and body extract for

1148
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:03,859
approximately two weeks I've had an ear

1149
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:06,710
wax buildup problems for many years with

1150
00:53:11,470 --> 00:53:08,690
over-the-counter stuff not working at

1151
00:53:14,109 --> 00:53:11,480
all I had very poor hearing due to this

1152
00:53:16,300 --> 00:53:14,119
ear wax buildup well after two weeks of

1153
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:16,310
taking heart and body extract my ear wax

1154
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,710
buildup almost completely cleared up

1155
00:53:23,530 --> 00:53:21,200
could this be the effect of better body

1156
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,540
circulation heart and body extract is an

1157
00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:25,040
effective 100 percent organic

1158
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:26,990
nutritional supplement specially

1159
00:53:31,420 --> 00:53:28,550
formulated to allow your body to heal

1160
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:31,430
itself my hearing is almost completely

1161
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:35,210
back to normal order by calling eight

1162
00:53:41,050 --> 00:53:37,490
six six two nine five five three zero

1163
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:41,060
five or online at HB extract calm that's

1164
00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:43,609
eight six six two nine five five three

1165
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:45,230
zero five or

1166
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:48,170
be extract calm heart and body extract

1167
00:53:52,890 --> 00:53:56,250
[Music]

1168
00:54:04,260 --> 00:53:59,980
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1169
00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:04,270
standard of paranormal radio and now

1170
00:54:15,580 --> 00:54:12,680
here's Jane Steinberg we continue with

1171
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:15,590
our second hour of the power cast with

1172
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:16,850
Richard smoly the book is called

1173
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:19,520
supernatural and we've been focusing on

1174
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:22,370
long questions and answers I guess about

1175
00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:24,110
the nature of reality and whether we

1176
00:54:28,030 --> 00:54:25,880
create our own reality but then we get

1177
00:54:30,130 --> 00:54:28,040
to the larger question Richard what if

1178
00:54:32,290 --> 00:54:30,140
we have the matrix reality where maybe

1179
00:54:34,930 --> 00:54:32,300
we're all asleep somewhere and some

1180
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:34,940
massive computer system is directing our

1181
00:54:39,850 --> 00:54:37,910
every action or expectation well you

1182
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:39,860
know the answer to that you know in a

1183
00:54:47,770 --> 00:54:46,310
way is again I well in a sense it's kind

1184
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:47,780
of the answer that Descartes gave

1185
00:54:52,750 --> 00:54:50,030
because he asked and you know that

1186
00:54:55,090 --> 00:54:52,760
really that very question in the 17th

1187
00:54:57,850 --> 00:54:55,100
century he said well how do I know I'm

1188
00:55:00,820 --> 00:54:57,860
not how do I know I'm not being deluded

1189
00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:00,830
uh you know my entire life by some cruel

1190
00:55:05,890 --> 00:55:03,260
demon and you know it's a very matrix

1191
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:05,900
like question the Descartes got his

1192
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:08,960
initial impetus I think as he was

1193
00:55:16,570 --> 00:55:13,280
marching from Spain to to Bohemia as

1194
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:16,580
part of the army and he was told that by

1195
00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:18,620
an angel that came to him in a vision or

1196
00:55:23,110 --> 00:55:21,080
a dream that they the answer was in what

1197
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:23,120
the measurement in number or something I

1198
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:25,250
even correct me if I'm wrong there yeah

1199
00:55:29,740 --> 00:55:28,130
yeah that I I mean I don't remember the

1200
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:29,750
exact details but the story does go

1201
00:55:33,370 --> 00:55:32,240
something like that but you know in a

1202
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:33,380
sense what I'm talking about here is

1203
00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:35,690
simply that you know Descartes say well

1204
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:38,630
if I don't know anything else and I may

1205
00:55:43,420 --> 00:55:40,940
not know anything else at least I know

1206
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:43,430
I'm experiencing something something

1207
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:44,810
there's Sun to something having this

1208
00:55:49,110 --> 00:55:47,630
experience and you know he he took that

1209
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:49,120
in his own kind of philosophical

1210
00:55:55,690 --> 00:55:52,610
direction but I think that I think that

1211
00:55:58,930 --> 00:55:55,700
basic stance you know makes sense yeah

1212
00:56:01,180 --> 00:55:58,940
you know I think therefore I experience

1213
00:56:04,359 --> 00:56:01,190
therefore I am well

1214
00:56:09,099 --> 00:56:04,369
and the converse is true too you think

1215
00:56:10,210 --> 00:56:09,109
therefore you are right right so you

1216
00:56:13,059 --> 00:56:10,220
know I think I think there's that

1217
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,069
element in it um you know he had his own

1218
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:14,720
interpretation which I'm not going to

1219
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:16,880
necessarily go into because I you know I

1220
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:19,609
don't necessarily agree with all of this

1221
00:56:27,849 --> 00:56:23,990
but um you may not know whether you know

1222
00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:27,859
the reality you experience is actual but

1223
00:56:31,780 --> 00:56:29,750
you know at least you still know that

1224
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:31,790
there's kind of a you having it whatever

1225
00:56:37,569 --> 00:56:34,640
this you is um I mean it gets funny of

1226
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,579
course because you know if you believe a

1227
00:56:43,859 --> 00:56:40,640
lot of particularly Eastern but not only

1228
00:56:46,359 --> 00:56:43,869
Eastern philosophies it turns out that

1229
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:46,369
they would say that the you that having

1230
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:49,609
this experience is uh you know the kind

1231
00:56:55,569 --> 00:56:53,599
of a core of a delusion which is uh you

1232
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:55,579
know it's an interesting subject to

1233
00:57:02,140 --> 00:56:59,119
explore I don't necessarily agree with

1234
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:02,150
that myself but um you know there's some

1235
00:57:06,609 --> 00:57:03,490
people have taken it in that direction

1236
00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:06,619
that um that you know that we are being

1237
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:08,630
diluted by this cruel demon and it's

1238
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:12,230
it's all kind of personal egos well then

1239
00:57:17,319 --> 00:57:14,230
how would you explain moments of gnosis

1240
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:17,329
well I guess the way that you explain it

1241
00:57:24,819 --> 00:57:21,200
would be that you know if this is this

1242
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:24,829
kind of experience is delusory we must

1243
00:57:29,859 --> 00:57:26,810
have at least some capacity for

1244
00:57:33,460 --> 00:57:29,869
experiencing reality and truth and those

1245
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:33,470
most moments of gnosis would then be you

1246
00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:37,010
know some of those moments of truth that

1247
00:57:44,140 --> 00:57:40,300
somehow Tony ate through the you know

1248
00:57:48,370 --> 00:57:44,150
the layers of the matrix right this

1249
00:57:50,020 --> 00:57:48,380
software program right right of course

1250
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:50,030
we wonder what happens to the software

1251
00:57:54,970 --> 00:57:52,430
program led develops bugs or is infected

1252
00:57:56,829 --> 00:57:54,980
by malware okay maybe that's the problem

1253
00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:56,839
the other thing of course about reality

1254
00:58:05,589 --> 00:57:59,180
is whether we are all just somebody's

1255
00:58:08,609 --> 00:58:05,599
video game you know the answer to kind

1256
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:08,619
of a lot of that is even if it's true

1257
00:58:15,069 --> 00:58:11,210
it's kind of a hard thing to go around

1258
00:58:17,319 --> 00:58:15,079
believing in your day-to-day lies and

1259
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:17,329
you know the thing about a lot of

1260
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,160
skeptics is these questions are

1261
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:21,200
interesting that you know answer you

1262
00:58:26,019 --> 00:58:23,209
know I can doubt you know the existence

1263
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,029
of everyday reality but in practice I'm

1264
00:58:31,029 --> 00:58:28,160
going to ask act as if it still exists

1265
00:58:34,930 --> 00:58:31,039
and you know that's really the only way

1266
00:58:38,289 --> 00:58:34,940
to do it because otherwise you know

1267
00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:38,299
therein lies madness people write a slap

1268
00:58:45,789 --> 00:58:40,630
in the face and a kick in the tail-end

1269
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:45,799
hurts exactly exactly you know and you

1270
00:58:49,989 --> 00:58:47,450
know those have been uh you know some of

1271
00:58:51,759 --> 00:58:49,999
the kind of reputations of it that have

1272
00:58:53,859 --> 00:58:51,769
been made now there were you know there

1273
00:58:56,769 --> 00:58:53,869
are lots of other things going on as

1274
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:56,779
well which is you know it could be that

1275
00:59:02,799 --> 00:58:59,599
you know the fact that a slap and a kick

1276
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:02,809
hood uh you know is itself kind of you

1277
00:59:06,969 --> 00:59:05,089
know an organic part of a delusion

1278
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:06,979
you know um one could go and look at

1279
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,680
that point of view on my own from my own

1280
00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:11,599
perspective to kind of you know put this

1281
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,049
in in in you know some kind of

1282
00:59:18,969 --> 00:59:16,640
perspective I think these questions are

1283
00:59:21,459 --> 00:59:18,979
interesting to look at and to think

1284
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:21,469
about you know not necessarily because

1285
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:23,660
they're gonna like lead you in some you

1286
00:59:29,499 --> 00:59:27,529
know wildly new direction of belief you

1287
00:59:32,949 --> 00:59:29,509
know about your universe or about your

1288
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:32,959
life but you know they that it they

1289
00:59:39,039 --> 00:59:36,049
stretch your mind and you know they at

1290
00:59:41,769 --> 00:59:39,049
least ask you to accommodate certain

1291
00:59:43,779 --> 00:59:41,779
possibilities that most people you know

1292
00:59:46,269 --> 00:59:43,789
don't want to take for granted even most

1293
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:46,279
you know educated you know thoughtful

1294
00:59:52,839 --> 00:59:50,089
supposedly thoughtful people don't take

1295
00:59:54,009 --> 00:59:52,849
for granted one thing that I was struck

1296
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:54,019
me in your book and probably the

1297
01:00:00,299 --> 00:59:56,630
shortest chapter which is chapter 10

1298
01:00:04,479 --> 01:00:00,309
called hidden masters in your opinion

1299
01:00:09,309 --> 01:00:04,489
what is the operative inspiration that

1300
01:00:13,779 --> 01:00:09,319
creates a Buddha or a Christ type figure

1301
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:13,789
or a Lao Tzu or you know one of any of a

1302
01:00:19,689 --> 01:00:16,729
number of what are now considered

1303
01:00:22,479 --> 01:00:19,699
masters what do you think separates

1304
01:00:25,509 --> 01:00:22,489
their process from the average person's

1305
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:25,519
process and and what are the aspects of

1306
01:00:33,930 --> 01:00:28,880
their separation that make them stick

1307
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:37,960
well I think one thing is that you know

1308
01:00:43,029 --> 01:00:40,130
they you know what they tended to have

1309
01:00:47,470 --> 01:00:43,039
in common is that they had from you know

1310
01:00:51,789 --> 01:00:47,480
all expanded human consciousness and

1311
01:00:56,380 --> 01:00:51,799
awareness in new in different ways that

1312
01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:56,390
were needed at the time you know we kind

1313
01:01:03,130 --> 01:00:59,720
of tend to trust love is a cliche you

1314
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:03,140
know at this point as we remember is

1315
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,839
Valentine's Day approaches um but you

1316
01:01:11,950 --> 01:01:10,400
know all you need is love you know I

1317
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:11,960
mean you know you know you can you can

1318
01:01:18,009 --> 01:01:13,849
go through as many songs as I can you

1319
01:01:21,999 --> 01:01:18,019
know on this whole theme but really it

1320
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:22,009
was Christianity that brought log to the

1321
01:01:26,529 --> 01:01:24,470
floor no one really talked about love as

1322
01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:26,539
kind of a central thing in the universe

1323
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:29,990
before Christianity and that was you

1324
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:32,210
know probably Christ's contribution um

1325
01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:35,690
that you know he's kind of intuited you

1326
01:01:40,329 --> 01:01:37,630
know that love is much more important

1327
01:01:43,269 --> 01:01:40,339
force in the universe and it had been

1328
01:01:45,549 --> 01:01:43,279
given credit for even if a lot of you

1329
01:01:49,390 --> 01:01:45,559
know the ethical teachings that he gave

1330
01:01:52,809 --> 01:01:49,400
were you know not totally unlike those

1331
01:01:55,210 --> 01:01:52,819
that you know other religions and other

1332
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,220
traditions gave as well so I think that

1333
01:01:59,859 --> 01:01:57,680
that that possibility of opening minds

1334
01:02:04,269 --> 01:01:59,869
and just totally new directions

1335
01:02:06,670 --> 01:02:04,279
extremely important part of it um you

1336
01:02:08,740 --> 01:02:06,680
know what then there's this question

1337
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:08,750
like well what constitutes something

1338
01:02:11,859 --> 01:02:10,190
that's um

1339
01:02:16,299 --> 01:02:11,869
you know a being whose shall we say

1340
01:02:19,059 --> 01:02:16,309
superhuman um is a superhuman being one

1341
01:02:21,789 --> 01:02:19,069
who's kind of superhuman in functioning

1342
01:02:25,450 --> 01:02:21,799
that is to say someone who can you know

1343
01:02:27,339 --> 01:02:25,460
materialize it well and so on you know

1344
01:02:30,190 --> 01:02:27,349
possibly and you know there are there

1345
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:30,200
stories of that and you know I have to

1346
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,569
say I've never had any experience like

1347
01:02:35,950 --> 01:02:34,640
that so I don't know I'm not I'm not not

1348
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:35,960
really all that interested in just

1349
01:02:42,210 --> 01:02:38,930
missing it out of hand the seven labors

1350
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:42,220
of Hercules right

1351
01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:45,609
but another aspect of these kind of

1352
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:47,980
superior individuals you know that we do

1353
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:51,970
sometimes see is a much higher ethical

1354
01:03:01,950 --> 01:02:57,010
level and the normal person normally

1355
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:01,960
displays you know and that you know you

1356
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,310
know what actually happened of a

1357
01:03:08,310 --> 01:03:05,680
crucifixion of Christ and and and so on

1358
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:08,320
is you know the subject for you know

1359
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:11,050
hours and hours of radio shows but I

1360
01:03:14,670 --> 01:03:13,150
know shall we have to do a break and

1361
01:03:17,940 --> 01:03:14,680
then we'll get into more of this maybe

1362
01:03:20,580 --> 01:03:17,950
maybe that's why we like our super

1363
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:20,590
heroes like Superman right and by the

1364
01:03:24,690 --> 01:03:22,330
way if you have a comment or a question

1365
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:24,700
about the power cast we'd love to hear

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01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:26,800
from you you can write us new is it the

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power cast calm that's news at the power

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we have Richard Smalley joining gene and

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[Music]

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attack of the rock ODEs has been

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well-received by critics and readers

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alike it's a thrill a minute story

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you'll never forget a former US military

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

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pleading for his help after a terrible

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battle in outer space but the dreams

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turned out to be true and thrust him

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into a telepathic love affair with a

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woman whose faraway planet is intent on

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destroying the earth and now the

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gripping tale continues in the coming of

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the protectors it's the second book of

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adventure that pits our hapless heroes

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against powerful fanatical enemies that

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threaten the lives of freedom loving

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and the coming of the protectors classic

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that's our Ock o IDs calm quantitative

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unemployment at depression levels Europe

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financial system falling apart China

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getting out of US Treasuries at the end

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of 2008 the time of tarp the national

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debt was at eleven trillion gold trading

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around $850 per ounce close to 2012 the

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national debt exceeded sixteen point

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four trillion gold doubled to sixteen

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hundred dollars Franz the twenty

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trillion threshold for the national debt

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is inevitable politicians in Washington

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have a ferocious appetite for spending

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and stimulus what's worse a printing

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press to finance 100 years ago we had a

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gold standard to limit this madness but

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burka guy will ship your order free of

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light the Berkey guy is also offering a

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set of fluoride and arsenic filters for

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studies using low doses to greatly

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today

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01:07:55,410 --> 01:07:53,410
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

1473
01:07:59,339 --> 01:07:55,420
comment or question about the para cast

1474
01:08:02,819 --> 01:07:59,349
sent it to news at the para cast com

1475
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:02,829
that's news at the para cast calm and

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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cast community forums at forum dr. Peric

1478
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ask.com with Jean and Chris on the para

1479
01:08:18,390 --> 01:08:15,339
cast Chris O'Brien asked the question

1480
01:08:20,879 --> 01:08:18,400
that the late mayor Edward Koch asked

1481
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:20,889
how am i doing you doing find my friend

1482
01:08:25,979 --> 01:08:23,219
book is supernatural from Richard smoly

1483
01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:25,989
exploring the frontiers of reality but

1484
01:08:29,729 --> 01:08:27,580
it's almost a silly question but I'll

1485
01:08:32,820 --> 01:08:29,739
ask it anyway because I raised it the

1486
01:08:34,829 --> 01:08:32,830
fact that we so much love these

1487
01:08:36,990 --> 01:08:34,839
superheroes who are so much better than

1488
01:08:39,539 --> 01:08:37,000
we are they have these powers almost

1489
01:08:41,939 --> 01:08:39,549
godlike and if you look at the trailer

1490
01:08:44,010 --> 01:08:41,949
for the new rendition of Superman called

1491
01:08:45,809 --> 01:08:44,020
Man of Steel they're trying to present

1492
01:08:48,809 --> 01:08:45,819
him almost as a god-like figure don't

1493
01:08:52,620 --> 01:08:48,819
you think yes and you know I mean it's a

1494
01:08:55,649 --> 01:08:52,630
curious irony uh where did the notion of

1495
01:08:57,209 --> 01:08:55,659
the Superman come from well you know it

1496
01:08:59,160 --> 01:08:57,219
actually comes from Nietzsche the

1497
01:09:02,849 --> 01:08:59,170
philosopher Nietzsche you know and he

1498
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:02,859
said um you know god is dead long live

1499
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:04,600
the Superman you know that's that's

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01:09:12,990 --> 01:09:09,690
almost verbatim quote amici's now I am

1501
01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:13,000
fairly strongly convinced for reasons

1502
01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:14,440
that are too intricate to go in here

1503
01:09:19,410 --> 01:09:16,060
that you know at least some of the

1504
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:19,420
people who were involved in designing

1505
01:09:25,559 --> 01:09:22,089
Superman or at least aware of each ease

1506
01:09:27,599 --> 01:09:25,569
ideas and you know if you know you had

1507
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,609
it which is this has been just becomes

1508
01:09:32,789 --> 01:09:29,199
like another topic in itself like to

1509
01:09:36,059 --> 01:09:32,799
what extent do esoteric mystical ideas

1510
01:09:38,939 --> 01:09:36,069
um permeate mass culture and how do they

1511
01:09:40,530 --> 01:09:38,949
get around to doing that but you know

1512
01:09:44,970 --> 01:09:40,540
the other thing about Superman is kind

1513
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:44,980
of a semi-divine figure and again one of

1514
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:46,810
the things that makes him sending divine

1515
01:09:50,879 --> 01:09:48,130
and that's that's kind of one of the

1516
01:09:55,140 --> 01:09:50,889
points I was uh you know making earlier

1517
01:09:58,290 --> 01:09:55,150
is not only his uh you know capacity to

1518
01:10:00,959 --> 01:09:58,300
you know stop trains and you know do all

1519
01:10:03,570 --> 01:10:00,969
that sort of thing but you know it's

1520
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:03,580
sort of superior ethical

1521
01:10:07,950 --> 01:10:06,130
dance you know that he's always fighting

1522
01:10:10,230 --> 01:10:07,960
for her you know it used to be known as

1523
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:10,240
truth justice and the American Way

1524
01:10:15,690 --> 01:10:12,070
and you know this kind of ethical

1525
01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:15,700
superiority in a way is this much part

1526
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:19,320
of the Superman mystique as the

1527
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:21,820
superpowers themselves well the one

1528
01:10:24,930 --> 01:10:23,440
thing about Superman is he always had a

1529
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:24,940
higher ethical standard

1530
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:28,270
but one thing started by Jean hold on

1531
01:10:33,620 --> 01:10:29,920
hold on when Superman came out he was

1532
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:33,630
nothing more than a a very artful well

1533
01:10:38,460 --> 01:10:36,490
calculated propaganda tool during World

1534
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:38,470
War two well we understand how they

1535
01:10:42,690 --> 01:10:40,300
would use them because of that but the

1536
01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:42,700
essence of Superman is he has a higher

1537
01:10:47,790 --> 01:10:46,120
moral ethical behavior because he comes

1538
01:10:50,670 --> 01:10:47,800
from this advanced race of beings from

1539
01:10:54,030 --> 01:10:50,680
Krypton so what is kryptonite that's the

1540
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:54,040
devil I guess but what but the one thing

1541
01:11:00,030 --> 01:10:57,130
about it is that the later class of

1542
01:11:02,330 --> 01:11:00,040
superheroes which came from Stan Lee for

1543
01:11:05,130 --> 01:11:02,340
example they were troubled

1544
01:11:07,020 --> 01:11:05,140
psychologically impacted by their

1545
01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:07,030
superpowers are just generally screwed

1546
01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:09,400
up anyway and through some accent or

1547
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:11,950
fate they become superheroes that only

1548
01:11:16,830 --> 01:11:15,370
makes them crazier and wacky well you

1549
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:16,840
know that's that's the thing you know a

1550
01:11:21,930 --> 01:11:19,810
general starts out I mean all genres

1551
01:11:25,470 --> 01:11:21,940
start out kind of fairly simple and

1552
01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:25,480
cartoon-like and you know as people keep

1553
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:28,540
on exploring the possibilities of them

1554
01:11:35,220 --> 01:11:32,890
you know get began you know both weirder

1555
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:35,230
and more sophisticated and you know I

1556
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:38,410
think that's probably true with the

1557
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:43,510
whole superhero but really interesting I

1558
01:11:47,190 --> 01:11:45,250
think dovetails into an interesting

1559
01:11:49,710 --> 01:11:47,200
subject and you have a very interesting

1560
01:11:53,460 --> 01:11:49,720
chapter in your book supernatural about

1561
01:11:57,500 --> 01:11:53,470
it lantus and I think in the New Age

1562
01:12:01,730 --> 01:11:57,510
community Atlantis has almost

1563
01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:01,740
transcended into this realm of

1564
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:05,590
superheroes and exalted levels of

1565
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:09,910
Technology and knowledge and some sort

1566
01:12:14,049 --> 01:12:12,000
of connection to some sort of divine

1567
01:12:15,879 --> 01:12:14,059
imperative

1568
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:15,889
why don't you explain to us you're

1569
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:18,530
thinking about Atlantis as you put it in

1570
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:20,960
your chapter heading Atlantis then and

1571
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:21,530
now

1572
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:27,170
okay well Atlantis first was kind of

1573
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:29,770
just a bit of history um

1574
01:12:38,859 --> 01:12:35,449
Atlantis uh Atlantis myth was brought to

1575
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:38,869
us by Plato in a dialogue as his called

1576
01:12:42,370 --> 01:12:40,820
the tiniest another one called of

1577
01:12:47,799 --> 01:12:42,380
prettiest which is sort of a follow up

1578
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:47,809
and in it he claimed that uh the Greek

1579
01:12:57,339 --> 01:12:53,030
uh kind of sage so long

1580
01:13:00,370 --> 01:12:57,349
visited Egypt around 600 BC and was told

1581
01:13:01,750 --> 01:13:00,380
by the priests there that well you know

1582
01:13:03,580 --> 01:13:01,760
they basically said you know you Greeks

1583
01:13:07,089 --> 01:13:03,590
and are just children you you know you

1584
01:13:10,029 --> 01:13:07,099
got no sense of history at all history

1585
01:13:12,370 --> 01:13:10,039
goes back you know thousands and

1586
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:12,380
thousands of years and you know part of

1587
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:16,449
this story was the myth of Atlantis this

1588
01:13:23,410 --> 01:13:21,920
continent that was in the UM well I

1589
01:13:25,330 --> 01:13:23,420
guess Plato basically said it's by the

1590
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:25,340
you know the Straits of Gibraltar the

1591
01:13:32,589 --> 01:13:28,820
Pillars of Hercules as it was known and

1592
01:13:34,750 --> 01:13:32,599
uh in those days and this continent uh

1593
01:13:38,290 --> 01:13:34,760
you know what's your an incredible

1594
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:38,300
Cataclysm and sank uh you know and and

1595
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:41,170
the Year given uh well you know is

1596
01:13:49,839 --> 01:13:47,090
translated our turns 9600 BC well you

1597
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:49,849
know this is all kind of you know this

1598
01:13:54,490 --> 01:13:53,000
law of it probable sounding but it's

1599
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:54,500
starting to sound a little less than

1600
01:13:59,560 --> 01:13:58,010
probable these days because you know

1601
01:14:02,560 --> 01:13:59,570
we're starting to you know think of

1602
01:14:05,529 --> 01:14:02,570
whole countries that may be merged by

1603
01:14:07,029 --> 01:14:05,539
rising ocean levels from global warming

1604
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:07,039
like the Maldive islands in the Indian

1605
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:09,770
Ocean yeah I mean they're you know this

1606
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:11,570
is kind of like a modern modern-day

1607
01:14:16,450 --> 01:14:14,090
Atlantis waiting to happen I mean the

1608
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:16,460
sea levels rise uh you know above a

1609
01:14:20,430 --> 01:14:18,289
certain level you know the Maldive

1610
01:14:24,459 --> 01:14:20,440
islands are going to be underwater

1611
01:14:27,790 --> 01:14:24,469
interestingly enough uh in that date

1612
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that Plato gives you know 9600

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see it's actually pretty close to the

1614
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end of the last ice age correct and we

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know at the end of the last ice age you

1616
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know a lot of bits of land that were

1617
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formerly above water went underwater so

1618
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you know I mean there's no I mean even

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from a purely like totally straight

1620
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scientific viewpoint there's no reason

1621
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to disbelieve in Atlantis uh you know as

1622
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such it's not it's not like paranormal

1623
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phenomena or UFOs or you have to kind of

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you know really stretch your your your

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deal with reality to you know even make

1626
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sense of it here um no this is according

1627
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to you know standard science this is

1628
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what happened um there's no reason a

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comparatively advanced civilization

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couldn't have existed

1631
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that you know was inundated Plato's own

1632
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account of it is very clearly

1633
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allegorical in a lot of ways he was into

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01:15:35,620 --> 01:15:33,380
sacred geometry and that kind of thing

1635
01:15:37,810 --> 01:15:35,630
and a lot of his account you know it has

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a lot to do with that well there was

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also issues of abuse of power and

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punishment the end of the civilization

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occurred because of the Atlanteans not

1640
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you know maintaining that higher ideal

1641
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right and you know most of you know at

1642
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least the contemporary uh you know this

1643
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is Atlantis uh you know from oh I don't

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know things like uh

1645
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theosophy from Edgar Cayce materials you

1646
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know in similar sources you know say

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that they the Atlanteans became you know

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corrupt at a you know a spiritual level

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your spiritual grounding with gene and

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you are listening to the podcast just

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parenthetically Richard Smolin author of

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supernatural isn't that what they say

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about us now that we're kind of losing

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our wave so much focus on technology

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that we don't focus so much on our

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spirituality and maybe Atlantis if

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that's what their failure was if there

1761
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was an Atlantis that should be a

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teaching lesson to us I think it should

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be a lesson to us whether or not it ever

1764
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happened to Atlantis semantics there's

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there's uh you know ginger that I know I

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think you know this kind of you know

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hypnotic fascination with technology you

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know just you know I mean at the very

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least it's you know this kind of huge

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distraction and people just you know you

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just go around and people everybody's

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just staring into their smartphones

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these days you know they now I mean I I

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swore I would never I would never have

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my nose buried into my phone and I'm

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telling you I'm doing 20 30 texts a day

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and I'm not happy about it well you know

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it's it's useful um you know can be

1779
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useful it's just that um people start to

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do it you know almost kind of because

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they don't know what else to do or you

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know like the teenage girl who's and I

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was always on the cell phone oh you know

1784
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just just to make it seem as if she's

1785
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popular and that kind of thing but I see

1786
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by the way nowadays more and more people

1787
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the last one five or ten years they walk

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around all day long they've got their

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mobile phone in their ear and they just

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stand stay away from it you know they're

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doing a transaction and they have to pay

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for something but they're on the phone

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now my problem is the other way which is

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I'm not usually talking to somebody when

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I'm at the checkout counter if that's

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when the phone rings yeah well I think

1797
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you know the danger there you know with

1798
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that technology is you know is it is it

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spiritually corrupting or I don't know I

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I think cognitively it's very

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distracting and a lot of the you know a

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lot of the kind of cognitive disorders

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were seeing are the result of this kind

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of just increased association well you

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know doing too many things at a time not

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to mention this side of the head brain

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cancer right right yeah all that stuff

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too but um you know people are just uh

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you know doing too many things at once

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the and you know your brain kind of gets

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dissociated as a result of doing that I

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mean you know I certainly do it most

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people do it it's it's not so much an

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ethical judgment but it's part of a you

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know one of the concerns about our

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civilization today you know our

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awareness of our own surroundings you

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know is often really just way in the

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background but you know beyond a certain

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point that can't be that good well do

1821
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you see this progressing forward in kind

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of an obvious way towards some sort of I

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don't know twisted transhumanism where

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humans become further and further

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disassociated from their humanity and

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become more robotic and sort of bought

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into into the digital age what do you

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think

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kind of have to remember is that you

1830
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know we you know and prophecy and

1831
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futurology which are similar arts you

1832
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know are also things that are discussed

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in my week and always to assume that the

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future is going to be kind of a

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continuation of the past that is to say

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any current trend is just going to

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continue on and on forever until it

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reaches some kind of extreme and you

1839
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know circumstances don't really work

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that way um there are always these

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changes and disconnects and kind of

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radical shifts that nobody expected so I

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don't see any reason why something like

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that can't occur knows about same and it

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is unexpected that you know I you know

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everybody else you know not expecting it

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01:25:20,259 --> 01:25:16,400
but that doesn't mean you know it's not

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going to happen we you know we may uh

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you know suddenly someday everyone may

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just sort of say you know this stuff is

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boring let's do something else with our

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time right started commune in southern

1853
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Colorado you know one of the chapters

1854
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:36,769
that I was really quite fascinated by is

1855
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chapter three in your book supernatural

1856
01:25:43,779 --> 01:25:41,780
does prophecy work

1857
01:25:47,770 --> 01:25:43,789
now we're talking we're looking forward

1858
01:25:50,859 --> 01:25:47,780
here in time and obviously throughout

1859
01:25:53,140 --> 01:25:50,869
human history there have been sages and

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and prophets and and people that have

1861
01:25:58,959 --> 01:25:56,000
projected ahead Nostradamus you have a

1862
01:26:01,839 --> 01:25:58,969
chapter on Nostradamus where do you come

1863
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:01,849
down a prophecy uh for our listeners so

1864
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:04,010
I was fascinated by this particular

1865
01:26:09,060 --> 01:26:07,489
chapter and I love figlio Elissa date

1866
01:26:12,279 --> 01:26:09,070
something you're thinking about that

1867
01:26:15,009 --> 01:26:12,289
well as far as prophecies concerned in

1868
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:15,019
in general you know I guess I I tend to

1869
01:26:21,279 --> 01:26:18,320
be fairly skeptical you know just

1870
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:21,289
because the record of prophecy uh just

1871
01:26:26,770 --> 01:26:24,650
hasn't been that good um you know going

1872
01:26:28,419 --> 01:26:26,780
back to the apocalyptic you know

1873
01:26:30,370 --> 01:26:28,429
mentality that I was talking about at

1874
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:30,380
the beginning of the interview you

1875
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um Christianity for example really got

1876
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its start because first generation of

1877
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Christians thought the end of the world

1878
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was literally at hand you know this just

1879
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didn't happen um you know and

1880
01:26:49,780 --> 01:26:46,040
Christianity ever since has been kind of

1881
01:26:53,290 --> 01:26:49,790
like trying to figure out what to do was

1882
01:26:55,530 --> 01:26:53,300
as a result of that that failure usually

1883
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:55,540
by predicting at the end of the world is

1884
01:27:04,300 --> 01:26:59,840
now reconciliation is not an option

1885
01:27:10,689 --> 01:27:04,310
right now prophecy is interesting in a

1886
01:27:14,830 --> 01:27:10,699
lot of ways one thing is what can you

1887
01:27:17,050 --> 01:27:14,840
expect a prophet to say well for the

1888
01:27:19,540 --> 01:27:17,060
profitable or that were the type we're

1889
01:27:21,870 --> 01:27:19,550
talking about I mean you have to expect

1890
01:27:24,820 --> 01:27:21,880
uh you know some kind of radical

1891
01:27:26,860 --> 01:27:24,830
dislocation some kind of great changes

1892
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:26,870
because otherwise you know who would

1893
01:27:31,450 --> 01:27:28,880
care you know if some if some you know

1894
01:27:35,110 --> 01:27:31,460
some kind of Nostradamus or Edgar Cayce

1895
01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:35,120
said came out and said um well he was

1896
01:27:39,220 --> 01:27:36,409
just pretty much gonna be the way they

1897
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are for quite a while this person might

1898
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actually have a fairly good chance of

1899
01:27:46,300 --> 01:27:43,880
being right but who would be interested

1900
01:27:49,020 --> 01:27:46,310
in who would want to read that um you

1901
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:49,030
know there's no there's a market for it

1902
01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:54,530
um so the apocalyptic prophet you know

1903
01:28:00,370 --> 01:27:56,300
as I've been calling him you know you

1904
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:00,380
know is it's very very happy to predict

1905
01:28:04,990 --> 01:28:03,110
all kinds of disasters and dislocations

1906
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:05,000
and you know the moon turning the blood

1907
01:28:09,939 --> 01:28:06,770
and so on

1908
01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:09,949
you know contrast it to you know the

1909
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more mundane type of profit you know

1910
01:28:19,810 --> 01:28:15,460
which you might call a futurologist

1911
01:28:22,030 --> 01:28:19,820
cuz well yeah you know uh though these

1912
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these guys I mean you know most of them

1913
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have no particular alcohol meant how do

1914
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they predict the future

1915
01:28:37,450 --> 01:28:34,400
saying well if current trends continue X

1916
01:28:39,310 --> 01:28:37,460
and such is going to happen but you know

1917
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:39,320
as we know current trends don't continue

1918
01:28:46,510 --> 01:28:43,850
um you know I read a fascinating book of

1919
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couple of years ago called a year 2000

1920
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that was written in 1967 and it was by

1921
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Herman Kahn it was kind of one of them

1922
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kind of one of the great you know real

1923
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or imagined futurologist of the time and

1924
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you know he got some things right uh one

1925
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thing he got right what the computers

1926
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would be used for banking but you know

1927
01:29:16,450 --> 01:29:12,080
he also predicted that you know this

1928
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:16,460
kind of uh gradual uh continuous you

1929
01:29:21,010 --> 01:29:19,250
know the continuation and growth with no

1930
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you know or what used to be called the

1931
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welfare state and you know no actually

1932
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the welfare state is uh you know what

1933
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who approve of it or not the welfare

1934
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state in um not only in the US but in in

1935
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most of the world is actually retrench

1936
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quite a bit uh he was making his

1937
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predictions which were perfectly

1938
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reasonable on the basis of what they

1939
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knew at the time by the way there is

1940
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nothing in that book absolutely zero zip

1941
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zero not religion and in those days um

1942
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it was kind of generally assumed that

1943
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religion was kind of his crate uh

1944
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survival from the past and you know in

1945
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this age when you know we would be all

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you know running are living you know

1947
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being in mylar suits and and flying

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around in spaceships like George Jetson

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Belgian religions

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science has become a kind of a

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replacement for outmoded religious

1952
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structures and control system by the way

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Infowars team with gene and Chris the

2058
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book under discussion is supernatural

2059
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ratings on an unknown history we're

2060
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:11,240
trying to make sense of it all with

2061
01:35:18,430 --> 01:35:15,290
Richard Smalley Chris yeah we have as is

2062
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our custom we have a number of questions

2063
01:35:24,610 --> 01:35:21,470
from our participants at forum dr. Peric

2064
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ascom the first question Richard comes

2065
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from Conrad Hartman who has been posting

2066
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:30,470
for almost a year at the Forum this is

2067
01:35:33,780 --> 01:35:31,610
an interesting one

2068
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:33,790
I'd like to get your take on it he asked

2069
01:35:38,650 --> 01:35:36,530
mortification of the flesh has occurred

2070
01:35:41,230 --> 01:35:38,660
in various religions around the world a

2071
01:35:43,210 --> 01:35:41,240
number of Catholic saints as well as

2072
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,220
other figures including Pope John Paul

2073
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:45,280
the second that's news to me

2074
01:35:51,370 --> 01:35:48,410
practice self-flagellation among other

2075
01:35:54,670 --> 01:35:51,380
acts to what extent do these acts serve

2076
01:35:57,550 --> 01:35:54,680
an ecstatic function that is in addition

2077
01:35:59,800 --> 01:35:57,560
to serving as a gesture of humility do

2078
01:36:02,410 --> 01:35:59,810
these activities not also serve to drive

2079
01:36:05,620 --> 01:36:02,420
the participants into trance States and

2080
01:36:08,200 --> 01:36:05,630
ecstatic visionary experiences good

2081
01:36:11,470 --> 01:36:08,210
question yeah I think I think there's

2082
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:11,480
something going on with that I mean you

2083
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:13,730
know just just to view it in kind of

2084
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:16,610
very prosaic terms you know it would it

2085
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:19,280
looks like and I have no experience with

2086
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:22,490
this myself um you know a certain

2087
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:25,520
certain mild types of flagellation can

2088
01:36:34,210 --> 01:36:32,000
probably you know stimulate the oh I

2089
01:36:36,010 --> 01:36:34,220
don't know but natural opiates in the

2090
01:36:38,830 --> 01:36:36,020
brain whatever they're calling us or not

2091
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:38,840
and then well dopamine and yeah there's

2092
01:36:43,780 --> 01:36:41,810
other I mean to me let's lick the Frog I

2093
01:36:49,810 --> 01:36:43,790
mean that that's way easier but but

2094
01:36:53,440 --> 01:36:49,820
continue but um so yeah I think part of

2095
01:36:54,780 --> 01:36:53,450
it is to generate ecstasy I mean you

2096
01:36:58,090 --> 01:36:54,790
know they're there

2097
01:36:59,890 --> 01:36:58,100
look I mean there's another fact

2098
01:37:05,170 --> 01:36:59,900
that you know particularly in

2099
01:37:08,530 --> 01:37:05,180
Catholicism particularly in the last 400

2100
01:37:10,210 --> 01:37:08,540
years um you know there's a whole bit

2101
01:37:13,390 --> 01:37:10,220
you should just look at the art just

2102
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:13,400
look at it without uh you know any kind

2103
01:37:17,670 --> 01:37:15,530
of preconception without knowing what it

2104
01:37:20,620 --> 01:37:17,680
is there's this incredible

2105
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sadomasochistic and one another I don't

2106
01:37:28,180 --> 01:37:24,860
think that was their way back when the

2107
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medieval people didn't generally portray

2108
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Christ in you know it's kind of bleeding

2109
01:37:36,100 --> 01:37:33,440
all over the place uh and the Russian

2110
01:37:39,010 --> 01:37:36,110
Orthodox you know have very very strict

2111
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the Greek Orthodox who have a stern

2112
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Orthodox I suppose I should say very

2113
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very strict rules about how sacred

2114
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artists to be made um

2115
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always forbade that kind of our command

2116
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on the grounds and it would kind of lead

2117
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to base passions so I mean you really

2118
01:37:58,780 --> 01:37:56,320
have to ask yourself what what kind of

2119
01:38:00,640 --> 01:37:58,790
sadomasochistic impulses is there in

2120
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here I don't mean you know I guess a

2121
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classic you know case for me is if

2122
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you've certainly seen the movie Carrie

2123
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well of course yeah the famous uh

2124
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Spacek became a star right and you know

2125
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for me the creepiest thing in the whole

2126
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movie was you know when they dumped a

2127
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bucket of blood on her though it wasn't

2128
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it was the mother in her and a weird

2129
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like Jesus crucifixion had in this

2130
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closet in the home carrying that was

2131
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like much more yeah that was really

2132
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creepy

2133
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well how about los hermanos dependent

2134
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10th is the penitent brothers of the

2135
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penitentes who to this day in southern

2136
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Colorado in northern New Mexico practice

2137
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very almost Islamic sounding rituals of

2138
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being naked and and in marching over

2139
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cactus beds and flagellating themselves

2140
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with cat-o'-nine-tails and in in some

2141
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possible stories actually crucify one of

2142
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:03,470
the most worthy brothers on on Good

2143
01:39:09,190 --> 01:39:06,170
Friday I mean we do you still have in

2144
01:39:11,890 --> 01:39:09,200
the modern 21st century we do still have

2145
01:39:14,919 --> 01:39:11,900
sex of of Christians that actually

2146
01:39:17,709 --> 01:39:14,929
practice these very abuse self-abusive

2147
01:39:21,820 --> 01:39:17,719
rituals and as we all know from dan

2148
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:21,830
brown's the vinci code the Opus Dei is

2149
01:39:28,180 --> 01:39:25,489
sometimes uh lumped in with that we will

2150
01:39:30,580 --> 01:39:28,190
not necessarily accurately but yeah yeah

2151
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:30,590
that's kind of controversial but you

2152
01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:32,570
know self-flagellation you know as you

2153
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:36,020
pointed out you know if Pope has done it

2154
01:39:41,620 --> 01:39:37,760
um you know it's always been you know a

2155
01:39:43,899 --> 01:39:41,630
part of Catholic practice I mean I think

2156
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:43,909
a number of things are going on one is I

2157
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:45,530
mean you do have to ask yourself what is

2158
01:39:50,220 --> 01:39:48,170
the sadomasochism that's going on here

2159
01:39:52,810 --> 01:39:50,230
and you know that's almost like a

2160
01:39:57,640 --> 01:39:52,820
question for like a clinical

2161
01:40:05,169 --> 01:39:57,650
psychologist maybe the the head of the

2162
01:40:06,850 --> 01:40:05,179
house in Congress I mean there's another

2163
01:40:11,410 --> 01:40:06,860
thing that you know I think you can say

2164
01:40:12,729 --> 01:40:11,420
which is we all know that you know when

2165
01:40:14,860 --> 01:40:12,739
you get right down to it there are

2166
01:40:19,149 --> 01:40:14,870
certain there are times when you have to

2167
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,159
like put a lid on your bodily impulses

2168
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:21,760
you know whether if it falls you know

2169
01:40:28,330 --> 01:40:25,480
sleeping with your best friend's wife or

2170
01:40:30,130 --> 01:40:28,340
waiting til you get off the highway to

2171
01:40:33,220 --> 01:40:30,140
go to the bathroom that kind of thing

2172
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:33,230
that's just that's just part of what it

2173
01:40:42,610 --> 01:40:38,510
is to be human now it's very very easy

2174
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:42,620
to take a step and jump to the

2175
01:40:46,750 --> 01:40:44,690
conclusion as a number of religions have

2176
01:40:49,500 --> 01:40:46,760
done you know if the flesh is innately

2177
01:40:52,570 --> 01:40:49,510
evil and therefore ought to be punished

2178
01:40:55,630 --> 01:40:52,580
and I think that's what's going on with

2179
01:40:59,290 --> 01:40:55,640
some of those you know penitent uh you

2180
01:41:11,729 --> 01:40:59,300
know sex and the kind of thing any

2181
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:14,709
so you know there's definitely a lot

2182
01:41:22,890 --> 01:41:18,650
going on there I just just to follow up

2183
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:22,900
on the question a little bit more there

2184
01:41:30,549 --> 01:41:25,760
there is Wicca which is

2185
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:30,559
you know sometimes said to be survival

2186
01:41:36,609 --> 01:41:33,590
the old pagan religion sometimes said to

2187
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:36,619
be a modern invention one of the most

2188
01:41:41,049 --> 01:41:38,570
influential figures in Wicca was an

2189
01:41:44,109 --> 01:41:41,059
Englishman named Gerald Gardner who was

2190
01:41:45,729 --> 01:41:44,119
apparently into flagellation and made it

2191
01:41:48,069 --> 01:41:45,739
part of the Wiccan rituals and whether

2192
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:48,079
this was really part of the Wiccan

2193
01:41:53,169 --> 01:41:50,960
rituals was practiced way back when or

2194
01:41:54,939 --> 01:41:53,179
whether he had kind of gotten a taste

2195
01:41:56,350 --> 01:41:54,949
for this and you know British public

2196
01:41:58,569 --> 01:41:56,360
school was a question that's uh

2197
01:42:01,600 --> 01:41:58,579
occasionally still debated well I just

2198
01:42:03,370 --> 01:42:01,610
should point out in passing that during

2199
01:42:05,859 --> 01:42:03,380
the course of a time that my first wife

2200
01:42:07,810 --> 01:42:05,869
and I edited a UFO paranormal magazine

2201
01:42:10,839 --> 01:42:07,820
for a number of years we came into

2202
01:42:12,819 --> 01:42:10,849
contact with Wiccans over those years

2203
01:42:14,350 --> 01:42:12,829
and they never seem to be the type of

2204
01:42:17,140 --> 01:42:14,360
people who would do that sort of thing

2205
01:42:19,089 --> 01:42:17,150
yeah I don't I don't think I mean there

2206
01:42:22,209 --> 01:42:19,099
are about as many different types of

2207
01:42:24,339 --> 01:42:22,219
Wiccans as there are Christians or

2208
01:42:26,649 --> 01:42:24,349
anything else oh you know it's certainly

2209
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,659
not but it would be true of what are

2210
01:42:31,359 --> 01:42:29,119
called Guarnere and uh Wiccans

2211
01:42:32,799 --> 01:42:31,369
because Gerald Gardner was the guy I was

2212
01:42:33,970 --> 01:42:32,809
talking about but I certainly wouldn't

2213
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:33,980
come you know

2214
01:42:39,580 --> 01:42:37,250
stated every Wiccan does not hurt yes

2215
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:39,590
obviously Richard that leads me to

2216
01:42:44,529 --> 01:42:42,320
another question from Conrad Hartman one

2217
01:42:46,959 --> 01:42:44,539
of our posters at forum dr. Perik asked

2218
01:42:50,049 --> 01:42:46,969
calm to what extent do you feel that

2219
01:42:52,540 --> 01:42:50,059
modern paganism is historically linked

2220
01:42:54,759 --> 01:42:52,550
to pre-christian practices and do you

2221
01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:54,769
feel that modern practice practices

2222
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,050
accurately follow these historical

2223
01:43:01,779 --> 01:42:59,360
precedents well that's a really

2224
01:43:04,299 --> 01:43:01,789
interesting question um

2225
01:43:07,629 --> 01:43:04,309
one you know I suppose I should really

2226
01:43:10,209 --> 01:43:07,639
only plug one book at a time but on one

2227
01:43:11,859 --> 01:43:10,219
of my previous books is called hidden

2228
01:43:13,629 --> 01:43:11,869
wisdom a guide to the Western inner

2229
01:43:16,450 --> 01:43:13,639
traditions which has a whole chapter on

2230
01:43:19,299 --> 01:43:16,460
that and I'm not going to be able to go

2231
01:43:21,970 --> 01:43:19,309
into the whole you know detail of it

2232
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:21,980
here it is a very good and very

2233
01:43:28,810 --> 01:43:25,730
intricate question I think there's

2234
01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:28,820
evidence that the Old Religion survived

2235
01:43:35,229 --> 01:43:32,690
in you know in kind of family traditions

2236
01:43:38,049 --> 01:43:35,239
and kind of honor the way pockets to

2237
01:43:39,580 --> 01:43:38,059
what extent this reflects any kind of

2238
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:39,590
real plan

2239
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:43,070
you know what what pagans were doing you

2240
01:43:48,010 --> 01:43:46,010
know in 500 AD uh you know is

2241
01:43:50,290 --> 01:43:48,020
considerably more open to question

2242
01:43:52,750 --> 01:43:50,300
because there just isn't a lot of data

2243
01:43:54,670 --> 01:43:52,760
about it yeah it's impossible to really

2244
01:43:57,640 --> 01:43:54,680
really demonstrate any sort of

2245
01:43:58,600 --> 01:43:57,650
connection but here's a my own sort of

2246
01:44:01,960 --> 01:43:58,610
follow-up on that

2247
01:44:04,750 --> 01:44:01,970
you know you mentioned Aleister Crowley

2248
01:44:06,970 --> 01:44:04,760
of course to people that don't know who

2249
01:44:07,450 --> 01:44:06,980
he is is Crowley if you think of him

2250
01:44:09,610 --> 01:44:07,460
fali

2251
01:44:15,370 --> 01:44:09,620
Crowley if you think he's possibly holy

2252
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:15,380
that's kind of my axiom yeah well that

2253
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:19,280
was Crowley's own sort of disclaimer but

2254
01:44:26,110 --> 01:44:22,490
you know Aleister Crowley I think is a

2255
01:44:29,050 --> 01:44:26,120
seminal figure of the post sort of

2256
01:44:33,250 --> 01:44:29,060
Victorian age he helped you know sort of

2257
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:33,260
dismantle the stade you know very anal

2258
01:44:39,310 --> 01:44:36,530
sort of Victorian social structure and

2259
01:44:42,070 --> 01:44:39,320
and and mores of that particular time

2260
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:42,080
period now someone like a Crowley who

2261
01:44:47,740 --> 01:44:45,530
was able to integrate the eastern

2262
01:44:51,550 --> 01:44:47,750
tradition with the Western tradition in

2263
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:51,560
his his particularly tarot deck oh the

2264
01:44:54,910 --> 01:44:52,400
Thoth deck

2265
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:54,920
do you consider someone like an Aleister

2266
01:45:00,820 --> 01:44:57,710
Crowley or in the life as levy who of

2267
01:45:01,870 --> 01:45:00,830
course was a predecessor of Crowley's in

2268
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:01,880
the mid 19th century

2269
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:05,330
do you consider their work as being a

2270
01:45:10,270 --> 01:45:07,970
crucial length between the ancient sort

2271
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,280
of past and in terms of magic and

2272
01:45:15,370 --> 01:45:13,040
esotericism and the modern age of

2273
01:45:16,030 --> 01:45:15,380
magical thinking we've got to do a break

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2275
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2299
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2302
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2307
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2308
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2309
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2310
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we call it avoidable we are fake TV a

2311
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2312
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2313
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2314
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simulates the changing colors of a

2315
01:47:10,430 --> 01:47:08,070
television - a burglar it looks like

2316
01:47:12,140 --> 01:47:10,440
someone must be home watching TV so

2317
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they'll likely move on to an easier

2318
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target at only 3495 fake TV cost less

2319
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than a month of most alarm monitoring

2320
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2321
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2322
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2325
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2326
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2329
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2330
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:04,620
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2331
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:07,530
what 200 chosen you've never had me do

2332
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:09,960
the this set up and you do the parrot

2333
01:48:16,700 --> 01:48:13,770
cast that's great turnaround airplay see

2334
01:48:21,229 --> 01:48:16,710
Richard you just heard a show break that

2335
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,239
was unique it was special oh good he

2336
01:48:26,410 --> 01:48:24,239
wants to stay out of this yeah don't

2337
01:48:30,410 --> 01:48:26,420
don't blame me

2338
01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:30,420
we always blame you Chris dang well I

2339
01:48:35,240 --> 01:48:32,640
asked a question about Crowley's so I

2340
01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:35,250
guess if anything would create a change

2341
01:48:42,620 --> 01:48:38,550
that would be it yeah I I the answer to

2342
01:48:45,979 --> 01:48:42,630
your question is yes and the question

2343
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:45,989
was really saying you know did uh you

2344
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:49,890
know major 19th and 20th century alcohol

2345
01:48:56,180 --> 01:48:52,890
figures like on Crowley and al-assad's

2346
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,190
levy you know effect uh you know the

2347
01:49:00,200 --> 01:48:58,560
kind of the modern pagan revival and yes

2348
01:49:03,130 --> 01:49:00,210
I think they did you know I think the

2349
01:49:06,500 --> 01:49:03,140
Golden Dawn you know which was a

2350
01:49:10,670 --> 01:49:06,510
Victorian uh as you know it was a you

2351
01:49:14,120 --> 01:49:10,680
know and Victorian the lodge that I'm

2352
01:49:17,080 --> 01:49:14,130
truly belong to you know it was very

2353
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:17,090
very influential and I think a lot of

2354
01:49:27,410 --> 01:49:23,730
Rights you know um you know the revived

2355
01:49:29,870 --> 01:49:27,420
pagan religion arm comes from now now

2356
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:29,880
that doesn't mean you know that I

2357
01:49:34,700 --> 01:49:32,010
believe that the whole thing is just a

2358
01:49:38,930 --> 01:49:34,710
total modern fabrication you know I

2359
01:49:41,540 --> 01:49:38,940
suspect that uh you know let's let's say

2360
01:49:44,479 --> 01:49:41,550
that there were people who are

2361
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:44,489
interested in you know this kind of

2362
01:49:50,060 --> 01:49:47,760
magical stuff way back when well they're

2363
01:49:52,910 --> 01:49:50,070
probably not all Richard hold on what do

2364
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,920
you mean way back when the the Golden

2365
01:49:59,540 --> 01:49:55,440
Dawn system of magic its offshoots and

2366
01:50:02,030 --> 01:49:59,550
Rosicrucianism Freemasonry you know you

2367
01:50:04,130 --> 01:50:02,040
could go down the line of offshoots from

2368
01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:04,140
from that particular system of magic

2369
01:50:07,260 --> 01:50:06,450
they all claim to have some sort of

2370
01:50:09,900 --> 01:50:07,270
connection

2371
01:50:12,060 --> 01:50:09,910
Egyptian high magic do you feel that

2372
01:50:14,430 --> 01:50:12,070
that claim is accurate do you think that

2373
01:50:17,670 --> 01:50:14,440
there is a thread or a connection that

2374
01:50:19,530 --> 01:50:17,680
goes back to dynastic Egypt or do you

2375
01:50:21,510 --> 01:50:19,540
think they're just kind of playing

2376
01:50:24,060 --> 01:50:21,520
around with that particular connection

2377
01:50:25,729 --> 01:50:24,070
and and making themselves more important

2378
01:50:28,830 --> 01:50:25,739
than they really are

2379
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:28,840
you know whether they have a connection

2380
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:31,360
of dynastic Egypt or not you know it's

2381
01:50:36,810 --> 01:50:33,010
not something I could say I mean there's

2382
01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:36,820
no real proof of it um but you know it

2383
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,180
would be very difficult to prove it

2384
01:50:45,090 --> 01:50:41,920
negatively that's to say the truth there

2385
01:50:48,300 --> 01:50:45,100
was none but you know to kind of go back

2386
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:48,310
to what I was saying you know assuming

2387
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:49,810
that these people you know all along

2388
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:51,489
have been interested in this kind of

2389
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:53,920
thing you know they probably read and

2390
01:50:58,770 --> 01:50:56,290
studied uh you know the magical books

2391
01:51:01,440 --> 01:50:58,780
and texts that were around and there

2392
01:51:04,770 --> 01:51:01,450
were you know there was a magical school

2393
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:04,780
in London uh started by men and Francis

2394
01:51:09,930 --> 01:51:07,930
Barrett and you know around 1800 history

2395
01:51:13,020 --> 01:51:09,940
his book The Magus is very influential

2396
01:51:15,650 --> 01:51:13,030
and still available so I think the

2397
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:15,660
people who are into these old traditions

2398
01:51:26,670 --> 01:51:22,000
probably you know kept some very key

2399
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:26,680
elements of their traditions and you

2400
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:28,930
know incorporated some that came or that

2401
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:32,110
came around uh I don't know it's

2402
01:51:37,140 --> 01:51:34,570
probably not a terribly smart thing to

2403
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:37,150
plug someone else's book uh you know or

2404
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:40,480
you're plugging your own but um oh God

2405
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:46,000
there's a book I mean I I edited it when

2406
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:47,770
it came out I work for certain

2407
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:50,170
publishers called wielding power by

2408
01:51:57,479 --> 01:51:53,920
Charles art at worth you know which has

2409
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,489
you know uh you know I believe uh you

2410
01:52:03,870 --> 01:51:58,960
know has some connection to the Old

2411
01:52:06,630 --> 01:52:03,880
Religion and and even has you know some

2412
01:52:09,150 --> 01:52:06,640
of the practices and and rites of it it

2413
01:52:12,540 --> 01:52:09,160
doesn't look terribly much like Wicca uh

2414
01:52:14,820 --> 01:52:12,550
but it's it's its own version and I

2415
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:14,830
would encourage people to check that out

2416
01:52:19,770 --> 01:52:17,290
if they're interested in you know what

2417
01:52:21,089 --> 01:52:19,780
some of these old practices might have

2418
01:52:24,350 --> 01:52:21,099
been like

2419
01:52:29,069 --> 01:52:24,360
how about The Alchemist John Dee um

2420
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:29,079
seems your mom supposedly had incredible

2421
01:52:35,010 --> 01:52:32,170
abilities whether as a magician or a

2422
01:52:36,780 --> 01:52:35,020
conjurer I personally have seen the big

2423
01:52:38,850 --> 01:52:36,790
silver platter you know that's on

2424
01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:38,860
display in Versailles

2425
01:52:43,859 --> 01:52:42,040
that is half transmuted from silver into

2426
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:43,869
gold where do you come down on the

2427
01:52:51,149 --> 01:52:46,810
alchemists youth well then to some sort

2428
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,159
of ancient process or you know the

2429
01:52:57,510 --> 01:52:53,679
ability to manipulate things based on

2430
01:53:02,069 --> 01:52:57,520
ancient knowledge well one thing you

2431
01:53:04,050 --> 01:53:02,079
have to consider is that um as a matter

2432
01:53:06,629 --> 01:53:04,060
of fact people have been producing you

2433
01:53:10,260 --> 01:53:06,639
know pretty amazing artifacts for like a

2434
01:53:12,359 --> 01:53:10,270
long long time you know like certain

2435
01:53:15,780 --> 01:53:12,369
techniques of the stained glass windows

2436
01:53:19,439 --> 01:53:15,790
of the medieval cathedrals are a famous

2437
01:53:20,720 --> 01:53:19,449
example at least so um the idea that

2438
01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:20,730
everybody was just like totally

2439
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:22,570
technologically primitive and knew

2440
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:25,020
nothing you know about anything until

2441
01:53:30,959 --> 01:53:28,000
you know mr. science came along and you

2442
01:53:34,109 --> 01:53:30,969
know the 18th century is itself a rather

2443
01:53:36,959 --> 01:53:34,119
naive one I think so I think they had uh

2444
01:53:41,339 --> 01:53:36,969
some uh I think it was genuine knowledge

2445
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:41,349
there um you know they certainly

2446
01:53:45,330 --> 01:53:43,360
emphasized or at least the best of them

2447
01:53:47,459 --> 01:53:45,340
emphasized that you know this kind of

2448
01:53:50,100 --> 01:53:47,469
work of transmutation could not be done

2449
01:53:53,129 --> 01:53:50,110
I mean it can't be done in the way that

2450
01:53:57,180 --> 01:53:53,139
science is done in in in you know in

2451
01:53:59,780 --> 01:53:57,190
that the you know it's society the

2452
01:54:03,689 --> 01:53:59,790
experimenter is supposed to be totally

2453
01:54:06,180 --> 01:54:03,699
detached from the experiment and the

2454
01:54:08,010 --> 01:54:06,190
ancient alchemists and the modern

2455
01:54:11,010 --> 01:54:08,020
alchemists would say no you know

2456
01:54:15,450 --> 01:54:11,020
actually the state of mind consciousness

2457
01:54:17,729 --> 01:54:15,460
preparation of the alchemists is

2458
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:17,739
extremely important and it can write

2459
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:19,810
probably one of the greedy --nt sin an

2460
01:54:26,250 --> 01:54:24,010
alchemical process right and you know

2461
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:26,260
that's you know really take us on the

2462
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:28,510
you know uh off the subject but you know

2463
01:54:32,370 --> 01:54:30,730
it's it's another thing that has to be

2464
01:54:34,290 --> 01:54:32,380
seriously considered when you're talking

2465
01:54:34,689 --> 01:54:34,300
about scientific investigations with a

2466
01:54:37,859 --> 01:54:34,699
pair

2467
01:54:42,459 --> 01:54:37,869
normal you know the ice because it's not

2468
01:54:47,500 --> 01:54:42,469
quite so easy to evaluate in a lab sense

2469
01:54:50,140 --> 01:54:47,510
then um uh uh you know as gender no

2470
01:54:51,850 --> 01:54:50,150
specific experiment the state of

2471
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:51,860
consciousness of the researcher and the

2472
01:54:56,259 --> 01:54:53,599
participants are extremely important

2473
01:54:59,739 --> 01:54:56,269
well obviously in that was determined by

2474
01:55:01,810 --> 01:54:59,749
Heisenberg his uncertainty principle and

2475
01:55:05,379 --> 01:55:01,820
the Copenhagen interpretation that the

2476
01:55:08,049 --> 01:55:05,389
the actual act of observing any sort of

2477
01:55:11,739 --> 01:55:08,059
process is going to alter it but you

2478
01:55:14,109 --> 01:55:11,749
know let's get back to that subject of

2479
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,119
ancient knowledge and the opening

2480
01:55:18,850 --> 01:55:16,639
sentence or a paragraph actually in

2481
01:55:21,969 --> 01:55:18,860
Chapter eight of your book supernatural

2482
01:55:25,089 --> 01:55:21,979
is titled Masonic civilization and you

2483
01:55:27,580 --> 01:55:25,099
say masonry twosome the word connotes an

2484
01:55:29,890 --> 01:55:27,590
underground cabal that through means

2485
01:55:32,529 --> 01:55:29,900
unknown or scarcely imaginable to

2486
01:55:35,319 --> 01:55:32,539
ordinary mortals topples governments and

2487
01:55:39,819 --> 01:55:35,329
manipulates currencies or has beyonce

2488
01:55:42,669 --> 01:55:39,829
flashing sigils the halftime of the

2489
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:42,679
Super Bowl but to others more adept at

2490
01:55:47,649 --> 01:55:44,840
observation than imagination it evokes

2491
01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:47,659
images of solid citizens and cheap suits

2492
01:55:52,540 --> 01:55:50,239
conjugating at the lodge on the second

2493
01:55:55,810 --> 01:55:52,550
story of a shabby downtown commercial

2494
01:55:58,449 --> 01:55:55,820
building in either case today's seekers

2495
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:58,459
may wonder why masonry should interest

2496
01:56:03,729 --> 01:56:01,280
them Richard Smalley should masonry

2497
01:56:09,479 --> 01:56:03,739
interest us are we dealing with some

2498
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:09,489
sort of like deep sort of conspiratorial

2499
01:56:13,890 --> 01:56:11,599
manipulation of world events by the

2500
01:56:16,839 --> 01:56:13,900
power elite

2501
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:16,849
well I if we are I don't think the

2502
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:20,690
Masons as an organized body oh yeah to

2503
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:24,320
that well is there something akin to

2504
01:56:28,959 --> 01:56:27,170
that it's uh operating besides the power

2505
01:56:31,089 --> 01:56:28,969
of money and influence and power and

2506
01:56:34,209 --> 01:56:31,099
control well you know there are always

2507
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:34,219
people conspiring to rule the world and

2508
01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:36,170
the question you know and to you know

2509
01:56:40,660 --> 01:56:39,289
make lots of money and and so on the

2510
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:40,670
question is like whether they're all in

2511
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:44,090
cahoots and you know in the end it's a

2512
01:56:48,380 --> 01:56:46,130
little hard to see you know all of these

2513
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:48,390
very very disparate interests you know

2514
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:50,880
being masterminded by some you know a

2515
01:56:56,420 --> 01:56:54,210
secret society you know you know she's

2516
01:56:58,220 --> 01:56:56,430
been so away somewhere that's exactly

2517
01:57:02,090 --> 01:56:58,230
what Laurance Rockefeller told me when I

2518
01:57:03,950 --> 01:57:02,100
asked him good question seriously he

2519
01:57:05,900 --> 01:57:03,960
said if you think for a second that we

2520
01:57:07,940 --> 01:57:05,910
could even agree what to talk about let

2521
01:57:09,410 --> 01:57:07,950
alone where to talk about it and what we

2522
01:57:12,500 --> 01:57:09,420
were going to have on the agenda

2523
01:57:13,940 --> 01:57:12,510
you know it doesn't work that way of

2524
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:13,950
course I didn't believe him but

2525
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:17,520
continued we cannot continue unless we

2526
01:57:23,300 --> 01:57:20,850
share this time with our benefactors

2527
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:23,310
Richard Smalley joining us he's author

2528
01:57:28,010 --> 01:57:25,890
of supernatural with Gene and Kris and

2529
01:57:29,970 --> 01:57:28,020
Kris says at this time you're in the

2530
01:57:40,209 --> 01:57:29,980
para cast

2531
01:57:44,209 --> 01:57:40,219
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2532
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2533
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2534
01:57:51,609 --> 01:57:48,809
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2535
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2536
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2547
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2548
01:58:38,450 --> 01:58:30,899
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2549
01:58:43,200 --> 01:58:41,070
hi this is Peter Crouch ramble for Midas

2550
01:58:44,610 --> 01:58:43,210
resources as you know federal government

2551
01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:44,620
spending is at an all-time high

2552
01:58:48,630 --> 01:58:46,450
and inflation will be a direct result of

2553
01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:48,640
the spending policy European government

2554
01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:50,590
and central bank spending policies have

2555
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:52,090
put the European Union on the brink of

2556
01:58:54,090 --> 01:58:52,719
collapse

2557
01:58:56,310 --> 01:58:54,100
what are you doing right now to protect

2558
01:58:58,320 --> 01:58:56,320
yourself financially our assets working

2559
01:59:00,120 --> 01:58:58,330
for you or against you one thing is

2560
01:59:01,650 --> 01:59:00,130
certain having physical possession of

2561
01:59:03,180 --> 01:59:01,660
gold and silver will guarantee that no

2562
01:59:05,250 --> 01:59:03,190
matter what happens to our economy or

2563
01:59:07,050 --> 01:59:05,260
the Dower your investment will never be

2564
01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:07,060
worthless you know protect you from that

2565
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:09,250
hidden tax inflation if you've been

2566
01:59:12,990 --> 01:59:10,930
thinking about investing physical

2567
01:59:15,090 --> 01:59:13,000
possession of precious metals or having

2568
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:15,100
an IRA in precious metals I can help

2569
01:59:20,459 --> 01:59:18,010
call me today keep your crown on boy 806

2570
01:59:22,290 --> 01:59:20,469
eighty-six to two three seven extension

2571
01:59:23,670 --> 01:59:22,300
one zero eight and now take the time to

2572
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:23,680
personally put together a profile

2573
01:59:29,670 --> 01:59:25,450
designed to protect what you've worked

2574
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:29,680
so hard for call 866 to 237 extension

2575
01:59:33,000 --> 01:59:31,450
one zero eight you've worked hard your

2576
01:59:34,950 --> 01:59:33,010
whole life and I want to work hard for

2577
01:59:37,140 --> 01:59:34,960
you call Peter at eight hundred six

2578
01:59:40,350 --> 01:59:37,150
eight six two two three seven extension

2579
01:59:45,250 --> 01:59:42,880
if you're considering a water filter

2580
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have you heard about aqua pale aqua pale

2581
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from freeze dry guide.com has huge

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2583
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2584
01:59:55,750 --> 01:59:53,390
designed and engineered to not just

2585
01:59:58,060 --> 01:59:55,760
filter contaminated water but capture or

2586
02:00:00,580 --> 01:59:58,070
kill all bacteria and viruses to

2587
02:00:02,290 --> 02:00:00,590
non-detectable levels aqua pail has the

2588
02:00:04,390 --> 02:00:02,300
fastest flow rate of any other water

2589
02:00:06,160 --> 02:00:04,400
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2590
02:00:06,700 --> 02:00:06,170
of contaminated water in about five

2591
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:06,710
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2592
02:00:11,170 --> 02:00:09,410
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2593
02:00:12,970 --> 02:00:11,180
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2594
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02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:14,990
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2596
02:00:20,350 --> 02:00:17,810
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2597
02:00:22,900 --> 02:00:20,360
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2598
02:00:25,270 --> 02:00:22,910
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2599
02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:25,280
call eight six six four zero four three

2600
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:27,050
six six three or go to freeze-dry

2601
02:00:32,590 --> 02:00:29,930
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2602
02:00:33,900 --> 02:00:32,600
four three six six three or freeze dry

2603
02:00:39,420 --> 02:00:33,910
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2604
02:00:44,410 --> 02:00:41,920
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2605
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:44,420
constipation weakness fatigue are all

2606
02:00:47,530 --> 02:00:45,890
common the older one gets the

2607
02:00:49,660 --> 02:00:47,540
progressive deterioration of the body

2608
02:00:51,970 --> 02:00:49,670
that occurs almost universally the older

2609
02:00:53,740 --> 02:00:51,980
one gets can partly to significantly be

2610
02:00:56,410 --> 02:00:53,750
prevented with conscientious attention

2611
02:00:58,300 --> 02:00:56,420
to nutrition if the Hansa man can play

2612
02:01:00,250 --> 02:00:58,310
rugby in their 90's then it is possible

2613
02:01:02,200 --> 02:01:00,260
for everyone in north america to

2614
02:01:04,510 --> 02:01:02,210
experience a more youthful life as well

2615
02:01:06,490 --> 02:01:04,520
one key ingredient to warding off aging

2616
02:01:08,740 --> 02:01:06,500
and reversing some of it is the type and

2617
02:01:10,030 --> 02:01:08,750
quality of protein consumed all protein

2618
02:01:12,640 --> 02:01:10,040
foods or supplements you currently

2619
02:01:14,950 --> 02:01:12,650
consume are heat damage destroying 50 to

2620
02:01:17,650 --> 02:01:14,960
75 percent of your ability to utilize

2621
02:01:19,690 --> 02:01:17,660
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2622
02:01:22,180 --> 02:01:19,700
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2623
02:01:24,790 --> 02:01:22,190
body to utilize 100 percent of the amino

2624
02:01:28,030 --> 02:01:24,800
acids this feat no one else has achieved

2625
02:01:29,740 --> 02:01:28,040
the results to your help can be amazing

2626
02:01:31,390 --> 02:01:29,750
call eight eight eight nine eight eight

2627
02:01:33,130 --> 02:01:31,400
three three two five that's eight eight

2628
02:01:36,370 --> 02:01:33,140
eight nine eight eight three three two

2629
02:01:36,850 --> 02:01:36,380
five or visit one world wacom that's one

2630
02:01:40,260 --> 02:01:36,860
world

2631
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:40,270
WHU ey calm

2632
02:01:45,250 --> 02:01:43,250
we'd like to hear from you if you have a

2633
02:01:49,210 --> 02:01:45,260
comment or question about the para cast

2634
02:01:52,510 --> 02:01:49,220
sent it to news at the para cast calm

2635
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:52,520
that's news at the para cast dot-com and

2636
02:01:57,820 --> 02:01:54,650
don't forget to visit our famous para

2637
02:02:02,230 --> 02:01:57,830
cast community forums at forum dot the

2638
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:02,240
para cast comm with gene and Chris and

2639
02:02:08,230 --> 02:02:04,970
the para cast Richards smoly author of

2640
02:02:11,110 --> 02:02:08,240
supernatural about to answer question

2641
02:02:13,510 --> 02:02:11,120
and comment from Chris Richard okay I

2642
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:13,520
don't know quite where you want me to go

2643
02:02:16,990 --> 02:02:14,810
with the question do you want me to talk

2644
02:02:19,690 --> 02:02:17,000
about like international conspiracies in

2645
02:02:21,010 --> 02:02:19,700
general I don't know you you bring up

2646
02:02:23,980 --> 02:02:21,020
some really interesting points about

2647
02:02:26,140 --> 02:02:23,990
masonry in this chapter and why don't

2648
02:02:28,330 --> 02:02:26,150
you go ahead and sort of encapsulate

2649
02:02:32,200 --> 02:02:28,340
your thinking and then maybe kind of

2650
02:02:33,880 --> 02:02:32,210
riff on it a little bit okay um well now

2651
02:02:35,500 --> 02:02:33,890
the first thing you have to understand

2652
02:02:37,600 --> 02:02:35,510
is of course that masonry is not a

2653
02:02:39,010 --> 02:02:37,610
secret society why is it a secret

2654
02:02:41,710 --> 02:02:39,020
society well you've heard of that

2655
02:02:44,260 --> 02:02:41,720
haven't you was an old boys club really

2656
02:02:46,810 --> 02:02:44,270
I mean it's like kind of a it's like a

2657
02:02:48,280 --> 02:02:46,820
fraternity well yeah and it's it's

2658
02:02:50,290 --> 02:02:48,290
that's you know sometimes people

2659
02:02:54,780 --> 02:02:50,300
complain you know it's nothing more than

2660
02:02:57,760 --> 02:02:54,790
that other people only want that well

2661
02:03:01,920 --> 02:02:57,770
the history of masonry is kind of long

2662
02:03:05,050 --> 02:03:01,930
and complicated and controversial um but

2663
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:05,060
you know the most reputable views you

2664
02:03:10,630 --> 02:03:07,250
know say that well masonry kind of grew

2665
02:03:13,050 --> 02:03:10,640
out of these stonemason skills you know

2666
02:03:17,770 --> 02:03:13,060
that operated in late medieval times and

2667
02:03:20,830 --> 02:03:17,780
for various reasons became interested in

2668
02:03:25,150 --> 02:03:20,840
mystical speculation in the 17th century

2669
02:03:27,100 --> 02:03:25,160
and you know at that point gentlemen who

2670
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:27,110
were in search of alcohol knowledge

2671
02:03:32,230 --> 02:03:30,080
started to join and you know that was

2672
02:03:34,180 --> 02:03:32,240
the you know transformation of what was

2673
02:03:36,220 --> 02:03:34,190
called operative masonry into

2674
02:03:40,810 --> 02:03:36,230
speculative Mason and those are the

2675
02:03:42,660 --> 02:03:40,820
terms used in other nations were you

2676
02:03:46,570 --> 02:03:42,670
know particularly active and influential

2677
02:03:50,230 --> 02:03:46,580
in the 18th century you know they they

2678
02:03:53,439 --> 02:03:50,240
were you know very instrumental in the

2679
02:03:56,229 --> 02:03:53,449
American Revolution French Revolution

2680
02:04:01,780 --> 02:03:56,239
the unification of Italy in the mid 19th

2681
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:01,790
century I love that that lithograph of

2682
02:04:09,160 --> 02:04:04,639
George Washington with his Masonic apron

2683
02:04:12,160 --> 02:04:09,170
on right and you know I mean and he was

2684
02:04:14,850 --> 02:04:12,170
uh you know obviously uh you know quite

2685
02:04:19,020 --> 02:04:14,860
a devoted Mason

2686
02:04:21,549 --> 02:04:19,030
you know masonry influence and power

2687
02:04:25,030 --> 02:04:21,559
well it's kind of gone up and down on it

2688
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:25,040
Wayne seriously in the u.s. in the 1820s

2689
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:27,770
and there was a strong anti-masonic

2690
02:04:33,479 --> 02:04:31,610
movement I've got started and it you

2691
02:04:37,359 --> 02:04:33,489
know it started to pick up steam again

2692
02:04:39,910 --> 02:04:37,369
in the 20th century I think you know the

2693
02:04:42,129 --> 02:04:39,920
high point for Masonic membership you

2694
02:04:44,379 --> 02:04:42,139
know kind of in the 50s since then a

2695
02:04:46,299 --> 02:04:44,389
sort of drop down P Albert Pike had a

2696
02:04:48,459 --> 02:04:46,309
little bit to do with a spike in

2697
02:04:50,319 --> 02:04:48,469
interest yeah yeah I mean that's

2698
02:04:52,270 --> 02:04:50,329
definite I'll burn Pike was a you know

2699
02:04:54,459 --> 02:04:52,280
certainly a very curious figure the

2700
02:04:58,270 --> 02:04:54,469
author of morals and Dogma he's looking

2701
02:05:00,939 --> 02:04:58,280
a former Confederate General you know he

2702
02:05:03,640 --> 02:05:00,949
wrote you know a great deal on know

2703
02:05:07,020 --> 02:05:03,650
masonry and the esoteric now the other

2704
02:05:11,290 --> 02:05:07,030
thing about masonry and of course that

2705
02:05:13,479 --> 02:05:11,300
masonry does not entail any belief that

2706
02:05:16,149 --> 02:05:13,489
is to say you don't have to believe in

2707
02:05:18,609 --> 02:05:16,159
anything except a Supreme Being are they

2708
02:05:23,890 --> 02:05:18,619
that's why you know there's there's like

2709
02:05:25,600 --> 02:05:23,900
a G on the you know sonic emblem right

2710
02:05:26,799 --> 02:05:25,610
just beyond the square and on the level

2711
02:05:28,450 --> 02:05:26,809
right

2712
02:05:30,819 --> 02:05:28,460
all of these rituals that they go

2713
02:05:32,379 --> 02:05:30,829
through I mean I'm not a Mason so you

2714
02:05:34,569 --> 02:05:32,389
know a I haven't gone through it to be

2715
02:05:37,089 --> 02:05:34,579
and I'm also able to talk freely about

2716
02:05:40,660 --> 02:05:37,099
it because I'm you know pretty pledges

2717
02:05:43,359 --> 02:05:40,670
to anybody you know as I understand it

2718
02:05:46,569 --> 02:05:43,369
you know the meanings of these Masonic

2719
02:05:50,430 --> 02:05:46,579
rituals are always left to the

2720
02:05:52,780 --> 02:05:50,440
individual to decide um so there's no

2721
02:05:54,189 --> 02:05:52,790
authoritative interpretation and what

2722
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:54,199
they need or what they're supposed to

2723
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:56,090
mean there are a lot of there's a lot of

2724
02:06:00,850 --> 02:05:57,610
literature about it there are a lot of

2725
02:06:02,229 --> 02:06:00,860
guesses and that kind of thing you know

2726
02:06:06,010 --> 02:06:02,239
a lot of it written by Mason's

2727
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:06,020
themselves but nothing that has you know

2728
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:07,280
the kind of authority

2729
02:06:13,209 --> 02:06:09,290
in a safe payton pronouncement would

2730
02:06:15,130 --> 02:06:13,219
have so you know in that sense mason

2731
02:06:22,030 --> 02:06:15,140
seen very much committed freedom of

2732
02:06:25,950 --> 02:06:22,040
thought they had the other heyday in the

2733
02:06:29,110 --> 02:06:25,960
you know they say well early twentieth

2734
02:06:31,870 --> 02:06:29,120
centuries there was a lot of fraternal

2735
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:31,880
ISM the Masons kind of made it it kind

2736
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:33,199
of went down for a while and then they

2737
02:06:38,200 --> 02:06:35,199
came back and in the nineteenth century

2738
02:06:41,410 --> 02:06:38,210
for journalism you know was much more

2739
02:06:42,970 --> 02:06:41,420
important as a movement in those days so

2740
02:06:45,550 --> 02:06:42,980
it's just basically a frat there's no

2741
02:06:48,670 --> 02:06:45,560
real conspiracy involved in the Masons

2742
02:06:51,070 --> 02:06:48,680
you know think I don't I don't think you

2743
02:06:53,770 --> 02:06:51,080
know not in any kind of you know you

2744
02:06:56,140 --> 02:06:53,780
know some kind of plot to like take over

2745
02:06:58,060 --> 02:06:56,150
a world government well I think I think

2746
02:07:01,300 --> 02:06:58,070
the lower levels yeah you could say that

2747
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:01,310
but there may be a little something with

2748
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:03,770
the upper echelon but we won't get into

2749
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:05,690
that that would be digressing too far

2750
02:07:10,660 --> 02:07:08,810
yeah it's something I I certainly don't

2751
02:07:14,110 --> 02:07:10,670
know I don't have any proof or evidence

2752
02:07:16,660 --> 02:07:14,120
of it so you know on a certain point

2753
02:07:18,760 --> 02:07:16,670
there's not much I can really say okay

2754
02:07:21,220 --> 02:07:18,770
let's put the Masons aside set the

2755
02:07:23,700 --> 02:07:21,230
Mason's aside that's the sound of

2756
02:07:26,290 --> 02:07:23,710
Mason's being set aside started to

2757
02:07:29,020 --> 02:07:26,300
insult them if they're listening yeah

2758
02:07:31,740 --> 02:07:29,030
there's one thing I hear that obviously

2759
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:31,750
raises its head anytime you talk about

2760
02:07:38,350 --> 02:07:34,850
paranormal and ancient civilizations and

2761
02:07:41,020 --> 02:07:38,360
all this stuff the presence of ancient

2762
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,030
astronauts in ancient times and UFOs in

2763
02:07:47,380 --> 02:07:43,040
modern times what's your take on it

2764
02:07:50,020 --> 02:07:47,390
well you mentioned CG Hill earlier and

2765
02:07:54,820 --> 02:07:50,030
his book on flying saucers which is

2766
02:07:58,780 --> 02:07:54,830
published I think in 1957 and basically

2767
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:58,790
we're still uh with his verdict people

2768
02:08:02,530 --> 02:08:01,040
are seeing with you know we are seeing

2769
02:08:05,410 --> 02:08:02,540
something but one doesn't know what it

2770
02:08:08,920 --> 02:08:05,420
is a modern myth of things seen in the

2771
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:08,930
sky yeah um you know I think we're at a

2772
02:08:16,150 --> 02:08:13,010
point where you know you know as people

2773
02:08:18,310 --> 02:08:16,160
often say with UFOs you know you know 95

2774
02:08:20,140 --> 02:08:18,320
percent of the cases you know can be

2775
02:08:20,399 --> 02:08:20,150
explained away as weather balloons or

2776
02:08:22,649 --> 02:08:20,409
what

2777
02:08:27,989 --> 02:08:22,659
you like but of course that still leaves

2778
02:08:31,169 --> 02:08:27,999
the 5% of very very mystifying cases I

2779
02:08:36,330 --> 02:08:31,179
mean I remember reading fairly recently

2780
02:08:40,159 --> 02:08:36,340
you know articles written by the heads

2781
02:08:43,379 --> 02:08:40,169
of the Belgian and Brazilian Air Forces

2782
02:08:46,109 --> 02:08:43,389
you know which basically said you know

2783
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:46,119
our people are seeing things um we wish

2784
02:08:49,709 --> 02:08:48,159
the United States would share what they

2785
02:08:52,859 --> 02:08:49,719
know about it but they're not telling us

2786
02:08:54,509 --> 02:08:52,869
anything at all now you know when you're

2787
02:08:56,729 --> 02:08:54,519
talking about the head of a you know an

2788
02:08:58,649 --> 02:08:56,739
Air Force of a major nation you know

2789
02:09:03,270 --> 02:08:58,659
you're getting to the point of beyond

2790
02:09:04,859 --> 02:09:03,280
you know crackpot theories well the

2791
02:09:07,979 --> 02:09:04,869
other thing that bear in mind too is

2792
02:09:10,049 --> 02:09:07,989
when they start worrying about what the

2793
02:09:12,689 --> 02:09:10,059
u.s. knows and why that information is

2794
02:09:14,100 --> 02:09:12,699
being shared it has an implication which

2795
02:09:17,129 --> 02:09:14,110
is that there is information to be

2796
02:09:20,250 --> 02:09:17,139
shared of some significance well that's

2797
02:09:20,969 --> 02:09:20,260
it yeah you know uh and you know that's

2798
02:09:24,299 --> 02:09:20,979
precisely

2799
02:09:27,989 --> 02:09:24,309
you know the could a question that you

2800
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:27,999
know can't be answered you know the you

2801
02:09:33,120 --> 02:09:31,090
know it seems fairly clear that at a

2802
02:09:36,330 --> 02:09:33,130
fairly early point in the whole UFO

2803
02:09:38,939 --> 02:09:36,340
phenomenon the US government you know

2804
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:38,949
made a point to downplay

2805
02:09:47,250 --> 02:09:44,169
discredit any belief in UFOs and you

2806
02:09:50,790 --> 02:09:47,260
know as far as I know it still does but

2807
02:09:52,529 --> 02:09:50,800
um you know they're not at a point where

2808
02:09:54,569 --> 02:09:52,539
you know a lot of people have seen

2809
02:09:56,399 --> 02:09:54,579
something or another none of the

2810
02:09:58,500 --> 02:09:56,409
explanations are really all that great

2811
02:10:00,779 --> 02:09:58,510
uh you know when you get right down to

2812
02:10:03,540 --> 02:10:00,789
it the idea that you know this there's

2813
02:10:05,790 --> 02:10:03,550
really some kind of you know where would

2814
02:10:07,979 --> 02:10:05,800
these extraterrestrials come from well

2815
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the other thing here which puts it the

2816
02:10:12,449 --> 02:10:10,619
cart before the horse here is are they

2817
02:10:15,419 --> 02:10:12,459
extraterrestrials to begin with before

2818
02:10:17,909 --> 02:10:15,429
we even speculate as to where they might

2819
02:10:20,219 --> 02:10:17,919
come from yeah Richard Smalley joining

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2821
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2920
02:14:50,130 --> 02:14:47,739
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2921
02:14:53,160 --> 02:14:50,140
you're in the para cast with Richard

2922
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:53,170
Smalley and the question here that was

2923
02:14:56,010 --> 02:14:54,130
raised where were these

2924
02:14:57,420 --> 02:14:56,020
extraterrestrials come from and I

2925
02:15:00,209 --> 02:14:57,430
mentioned to Richard and you could

2926
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respond to what I said why even assume

2927
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if they are real that they're

2928
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necessarily extraterrestrial well you're

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right about that

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you know the explanations that kind of

2931
02:15:16,530 --> 02:15:13,600
posit that they come from you know some

2932
02:15:22,260 --> 02:15:16,540
place on our planet don't seem terribly

2933
02:15:24,090 --> 02:15:22,270
convincing either um to my mind yeah I

2934
02:15:25,590 --> 02:15:24,100
mean you know the debunkers are right in

2935
02:15:27,270 --> 02:15:25,600
that you know a lot of you know a lot

2936
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:27,280
any of the installations we can kind of

2937
02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:31,690
think of are unsatisfying but you know

2938
02:15:35,610 --> 02:15:33,670
we're still seeing something and our

2939
02:15:39,060 --> 02:15:35,620
people are still seeing something and

2940
02:15:42,900 --> 02:15:39,070
you know we have to you know give that

2941
02:15:44,459 --> 02:15:42,910
some kind of respect or honor it's not

2942
02:15:46,830 --> 02:15:44,469
just seeing things there are real

2943
02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:46,840
photographs there is trace evidence we

2944
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:49,330
have one researcher Ted Phillips who's

2945
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:50,710
collected a lot of that trace evidence

2946
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:53,170
and has explored it in fact he may be on

2947
02:15:57,540 --> 02:15:55,450
the para cast soon he got in touch with

2948
02:15:58,979 --> 02:15:57,550
me very recently about having more

2949
02:16:01,200 --> 02:15:58,989
information to present the point being

2950
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:01,210
if something is being seen it seems to

2951
02:16:07,010 --> 02:16:04,570
be metallic it seems to be capable of

2952
02:16:09,930 --> 02:16:07,020
rapid maneuvers it seems to land

2953
02:16:11,490 --> 02:16:09,940
sometimes they see creatures or entities

2954
02:16:11,820 --> 02:16:11,500
in connection with it so what might it

2955
02:16:14,010 --> 02:16:11,830
be

2956
02:16:16,290 --> 02:16:14,020
there's a story out this week but now

2957
02:16:20,400 --> 02:16:16,300
they have found evidence of a possible

2958
02:16:21,690 --> 02:16:20,410
small planet earth like planet 13

2959
02:16:25,080 --> 02:16:21,700
light-years away and that's a tremendous

2960
02:16:26,459 --> 02:16:25,090
distance to us but if that civilizations

2961
02:16:28,580 --> 02:16:26,469
a couple of thousand years ahead of us

2962
02:16:30,900 --> 02:16:28,590
it may just be a walk down the street

2963
02:16:35,719 --> 02:16:30,910
that's interesting I hadn't heard that

2964
02:16:39,060 --> 02:16:35,729
um yeah it's you know and I think it

2965
02:16:41,969 --> 02:16:39,070
goes back to you know one reason that I

2966
02:16:46,290 --> 02:16:41,979
think we're so interested in this area

2967
02:16:49,709 --> 02:16:46,300
to begin with in in um we have this kind

2968
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:49,719
of very strong intuition that reality is

2969
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:52,250
more than it appears

2970
02:16:58,390 --> 02:16:54,800
and uh there's a real hunger for

2971
02:17:00,700 --> 02:16:58,400
exploration of that and desire to you

2972
02:17:04,540 --> 02:17:00,710
know okay well what is all this stuff um

2973
02:17:07,299 --> 02:17:04,550
and a lot of times the answers are kind

2974
02:17:09,370 --> 02:17:07,309
of very speculative or you know I'll get

2975
02:17:11,950 --> 02:17:09,380
strange but I think there is that human

2976
02:17:13,900 --> 02:17:11,960
desire to know and you know I think

2977
02:17:16,060 --> 02:17:13,910
that's very legitimate and he needs to

2978
02:17:17,890 --> 02:17:16,070
be honored let me throw you a wacky

2979
02:17:20,470 --> 02:17:17,900
theory out there since I'm pretty good

2980
02:17:22,419 --> 02:17:20,480
at wacky theories and that is what if

2981
02:17:25,720 --> 02:17:22,429
the presence of UFOs and similar

2982
02:17:27,940 --> 02:17:25,730
mysteries is designed primarily to make

2983
02:17:30,820 --> 02:17:27,950
us think about the possibilities they

2984
02:17:34,900 --> 02:17:30,830
present well it's an interesting no

2985
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:34,910
that's definitely an interesting point

2986
02:17:39,580 --> 02:17:36,559
of view of course it it leaves you with

2987
02:17:42,759 --> 02:17:39,590
the question of like who is it is

2988
02:17:46,930 --> 02:17:42,769
creating these mysteries but it's

2989
02:17:49,030 --> 02:17:46,940
definitely a possibility you know this

2990
02:17:51,549 --> 02:17:49,040
is an area where they're not too many

2991
02:17:54,879 --> 02:17:51,559
possibilities that are easy to rule out

2992
02:17:56,890 --> 02:17:54,889
like you know right away well we can't

2993
02:17:58,930 --> 02:17:56,900
rule out anything but think of it this

2994
02:18:02,770 --> 02:17:58,940
way if there's a collective unconscious

2995
02:18:05,500 --> 02:18:02,780
that can create UFOs that seem to be as

2996
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:05,510
much as we can detect real maybe that

2997
02:18:10,270 --> 02:18:08,240
collective unconscious is controlling

2998
02:18:14,890 --> 02:18:10,280
our destiny as we move towards the

2999
02:18:16,720 --> 02:18:14,900
future but time doesn't exist maybe

3000
02:18:18,520 --> 02:18:16,730
we're trying to pull ourselves off

3001
02:18:22,089 --> 02:18:18,530
planet maybe there's some sort of

3002
02:18:24,910 --> 02:18:22,099
collective imperative going on yeah you

3003
02:18:29,709 --> 02:18:24,920
know it's you know the possibilities are

3004
02:18:32,190 --> 02:18:29,719
endless so you know but I think you know

3005
02:18:35,290 --> 02:18:32,200
is there I think we have to at least

3006
02:18:37,810 --> 02:18:35,300
give ourselves permission to you know

3007
02:18:40,360 --> 02:18:37,820
think about these things and to do so in

3008
02:18:43,690 --> 02:18:40,370
a way that's kind of neither you know

3009
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:43,700
mindlessly skeptical nor mindlessly

3010
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:46,880
believing oh you know I think you know

3011
02:18:50,620 --> 02:18:48,800
there are certainly a lot of mindless

3012
02:18:53,879 --> 02:18:50,630
believers but there also a lot of

3013
02:18:57,759 --> 02:18:53,889
mindless skeptics out there and oh boy

3014
02:18:59,740 --> 02:18:57,769
you know I think you know really uh you

3015
02:19:01,419 --> 02:18:59,750
know I think I'm not sure kind of sober

3016
02:19:04,540 --> 02:19:01,429
you have something like this what you

3017
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:04,550
want you know on this whole situation is

3018
02:19:09,540 --> 02:19:07,200
somewhere in Beach

3019
02:19:11,820 --> 02:19:09,550
well I think one of the things we are

3020
02:19:14,130 --> 02:19:11,830
always hoping for which never seems to

3021
02:19:16,590 --> 02:19:14,140
happen in the UFO field is we go out

3022
02:19:18,270 --> 02:19:16,600
back to the beginning because they've

3023
02:19:20,310 --> 02:19:18,280
been doing this for 50 60 years now oh

3024
02:19:24,060 --> 02:19:20,320
there are spaceships or whatever it is

3025
02:19:26,310 --> 02:19:24,070
okay let's start from scratch let's look

3026
02:19:29,430 --> 02:19:26,320
at this case with a fresh viewpoint and

3027
02:19:31,530 --> 02:19:29,440
say okay we have this phenomenon of five

3028
02:19:34,110 --> 02:19:31,540
or ten percent of sightings we can

3029
02:19:36,600 --> 02:19:34,120
identify let's take a look at what we

3030
02:19:39,090 --> 02:19:36,610
know about those and start again to look

3031
02:19:41,490 --> 02:19:39,100
for solutions but right now as soon as

3032
02:19:44,220 --> 02:19:41,500
we got wind of something that seems to

3033
02:19:46,680 --> 02:19:44,230
fly faster than we can fly it had to be

3034
02:19:50,100 --> 02:19:46,690
eaten that's the end of it you know I

3035
02:19:53,190 --> 02:19:50,110
mean the one kind of hypothesis that's

3036
02:19:54,631 --> 02:19:53,200
often advanced is that well you know at

3037
02:19:56,940 --> 02:19:54,641
the very least the government is not

3038
02:19:59,310 --> 02:19:56,950
going to be too thrilled about the

3039
02:20:04,320 --> 02:19:59,320
revelation that it's not capable of

3040
02:20:08,190 --> 02:20:04,330
descending its own airspace control

3041
02:20:10,500 --> 02:20:08,200
issues yeah you know I think that's you

3042
02:20:12,660 --> 02:20:10,510
know you you have to be yeah there are

3043
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,670
such things that are really flying

3044
02:20:17,250 --> 02:20:14,800
around but we can't do anything about it

3045
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:17,260
um the Air Force is probably not too

3046
02:20:21,870 --> 02:20:19,690
thrilled has to admit it well the first

3047
02:20:24,450 --> 02:20:21,880
they won't that also it's a question of

3048
02:20:26,850 --> 02:20:24,460
how will the population react so if they

3049
02:20:28,170 --> 02:20:26,860
know something they have this guilty

3050
02:20:30,900 --> 02:20:28,180
knowledge that something's going on

3051
02:20:33,450 --> 02:20:30,910
whatever the answer is if you reveal

3052
02:20:35,820 --> 02:20:33,460
that information what portion of the

3053
02:20:38,341 --> 02:20:35,830
population is impacted what portion of

3054
02:20:40,470 --> 02:20:38,351
private industry is impacted what about

3055
02:20:43,740 --> 02:20:40,480
the political ramifications and dealings

3056
02:20:47,190 --> 02:20:43,750
with other countries and I think there's

3057
02:20:50,100 --> 02:20:47,200
there's obviously this strong body of

3058
02:20:52,740 --> 02:20:50,110
opinion that seems to hold that life is

3059
02:20:55,230 --> 02:20:52,750
complicated as and often you know let's

3060
02:20:58,170 --> 02:20:55,240
just not go there what about looking

3061
02:21:00,000 --> 02:20:58,180
backwards through history reports of

3062
02:21:02,341 --> 02:21:00,010
flying craft throughout history did you

3063
02:21:06,870 --> 02:21:02,351
get a chance or have you had a chance to

3064
02:21:08,100 --> 02:21:06,880
look into those stories yeah I don't you

3065
02:21:11,551 --> 02:21:08,110
know I don't know a great deal about

3066
02:21:13,680 --> 02:21:11,561
them um you know there certainly have

3067
02:21:18,540 --> 02:21:13,690
been yeah things like you know the

3068
02:21:19,370 --> 02:21:18,550
lightest fiery chariot and and that kind

3069
02:21:22,400 --> 02:21:19,380
of thing

3070
02:21:24,980 --> 02:21:22,410
to what extent they really resemble UFOs

3071
02:21:29,480 --> 02:21:24,990
as we know them you know what kind of

3072
02:21:32,440 --> 02:21:29,490
remains to be seen it's well I pardon me

3073
02:21:37,460 --> 02:21:32,450
for interrupting but Jacques Palais and

3074
02:21:39,620 --> 02:21:37,470
his most recent book wonders what to

3075
02:21:43,880 --> 02:21:39,630
call Jeanne wonders of things seen in

3076
02:21:47,929 --> 02:21:43,890
the sky which is a compendium of of UFO

3077
02:21:51,770 --> 02:21:47,939
reports predating humans ability to fly

3078
02:21:54,490 --> 02:21:51,780
and he wrote a whole book that

3079
02:21:56,810 --> 02:21:54,500
delineated out some really incredible

3080
02:21:59,300 --> 02:21:56,820
sighting reports that were fairly well

3081
02:22:01,760 --> 02:21:59,310
documented down through history yeah I'm

3082
02:22:03,650 --> 02:22:01,770
you know I'm certainly entirely capable

3083
02:22:06,260 --> 02:22:03,660
of believing what's happened I haven't

3084
02:22:08,679 --> 02:22:06,270
you know I don't have enough information

3085
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:08,689
to like really have an informed opinion

3086
02:22:14,780 --> 02:22:12,570
about what it might actually be yeah I'm

3087
02:22:17,510 --> 02:22:14,790
again going back to you and saying yeah

3088
02:22:19,460 --> 02:22:17,520
well it's hard seeing something that one

3089
02:22:21,770 --> 02:22:19,470
doesn't know a lot that book by the way

3090
02:22:24,920 --> 02:22:21,780
wonders in the sky written by Jacques

3091
02:22:26,750 --> 02:22:24,930
fellahin Chris Beck and their publisher

3092
02:22:31,070 --> 02:22:26,760
is the same as your publisher Richard

3093
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:31,080
poet Archer yes okay good good let me

3094
02:22:37,969 --> 02:22:33,330
cut in here for a minute I I just want

3095
02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:37,979
to tell our listeners that your book has

3096
02:22:42,260 --> 02:22:40,080
really excited me and it's gonna be on

3097
02:22:45,230 --> 02:22:42,270
my bed stand and I'm going to be

3098
02:22:48,650 --> 02:22:45,240
annotating it in in underlining things

3099
02:22:50,510 --> 02:22:48,660
and really digesting some of these

3100
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:50,520
wonderful pearls of wisdom that you've

3101
02:22:56,510 --> 02:22:53,040
been able in a very effortless way to

3102
02:23:00,280 --> 02:22:56,520
elucidate to the to the reader your

3103
02:23:02,719 --> 02:23:00,290
economy of style and your directness

3104
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:02,729
you're one of the the finest writers

3105
02:23:07,030 --> 02:23:05,010
that we've ever had on this program and

3106
02:23:11,179 --> 02:23:07,040
I want to be the first one to

3107
02:23:13,460 --> 02:23:11,189
congratulate you on this very very is

3108
02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:13,470
it's an important book I think for any

3109
02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:16,170
seeker out there that's that's in any

3110
02:23:24,920 --> 02:23:21,980
motivated to really look at these

3111
02:23:27,860 --> 02:23:24,930
questions and gain some insight you've

3112
02:23:29,719 --> 02:23:27,870
done a just an admirable job of putting

3113
02:23:32,780 --> 02:23:29,729
down your thoughts in a very concise

3114
02:23:33,789 --> 02:23:32,790
manner and my hats off to and and really

3115
02:23:37,630 --> 02:23:33,799
much

3116
02:23:39,639 --> 02:23:37,640
in in in this book in and I want to

3117
02:23:41,649 --> 02:23:39,649
recommend it hardly to all our listeners

3118
02:23:43,630 --> 02:23:41,659
out there well thank you I really

3119
02:23:46,210 --> 02:23:43,640
appreciate your saying that but uh it's

3120
02:23:48,099 --> 02:23:46,220
uh really good to hear it's very

3121
02:23:49,630 --> 02:23:48,109
encouraging and again ladies and

3122
02:23:51,420 --> 02:23:49,640
gentlemen just to tell you before we do

3123
02:23:54,460 --> 02:23:51,430
our final segment the book is called

3124
02:23:56,949 --> 02:23:54,470
supernatural writings on an unknown

3125
02:23:58,569 --> 02:23:56,959
history bunch of papers by Richard smoly

3126
02:24:00,399 --> 02:23:58,579
I want to ask him also a little bit

3127
02:24:02,139 --> 02:24:00,409
about the Vinci Code stuff because we

3128
02:24:03,309 --> 02:24:02,149
have the movies and the Dan Brown books

3129
02:24:05,800 --> 02:24:03,319
and all that stuff but I want to hear

3130
02:24:08,649 --> 02:24:05,810
about but as I said before this is a

3131
02:24:10,300 --> 02:24:08,659
classy book printed and old-fashioned

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style and I think you're just gonna love

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looking at the book real paper real

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printing and then you read it and it's a

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real treat with Jean and Chris you're in

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3210
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3242
02:28:49,580 --> 02:28:47,790
this is the wrong Clark author of

3243
02:28:56,600 --> 02:28:49,590
beautiful on Cyclopes and other books

3244
02:28:59,001 --> 02:28:56,610
you're listening to the parrot calf with

3245
02:29:01,610 --> 02:28:59,011
Richard smoly on the power cast his book

3246
02:29:03,830 --> 02:29:01,620
of supernatural gene and Chris we only

3247
02:29:05,690 --> 02:29:03,840
have one segment left so I just took

3248
02:29:08,330 --> 02:29:05,700
this chapter at random you have a

3249
02:29:09,711 --> 02:29:08,340
chapter here will you cover secrets of

3250
02:29:11,360 --> 02:29:09,721
The Da Vinci Code and of course we think

3251
02:29:14,211 --> 02:29:11,370
of the movie in the best-selling novel

3252
02:29:17,150 --> 02:29:14,221
so in the practical world what secrets

3253
02:29:20,150 --> 02:29:17,160
should we be interested in you mean

3254
02:29:22,430 --> 02:29:20,160
in The DaVinci Code or just in general

3255
02:29:26,600 --> 02:29:22,440
in general about that The Da Vinci Code

3256
02:29:28,761 --> 02:29:26,610
oh well I think um you know I think

3257
02:29:31,461 --> 02:29:28,771
there's been a lot of debunking done uh

3258
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:31,471
you know a lot of things Dan Brown says

3259
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:34,250
um you know I think rightly so although

3260
02:29:39,980 --> 02:29:37,650
uh you know in his defense I mean he is

3261
02:29:41,870 --> 02:29:39,990
writing a book of fiction so he's you

3262
02:29:44,990 --> 02:29:41,880
know really entitled to you know made up

3263
02:29:47,270 --> 02:29:45,000
everything he does say based on I'll he

3264
02:29:49,520 --> 02:29:47,280
didn't make up everything Holy Blood

3265
02:29:51,591 --> 02:29:49,530
Holy Grail the authors of that book

3266
02:29:52,690 --> 02:29:51,601
actually seed him for plagiarism but

3267
02:29:56,631 --> 02:29:52,700
continue

3268
02:29:58,940 --> 02:29:56,641
well yeah but you know my impression was

3269
02:30:03,051 --> 02:29:58,950
that that suit was a little bit of a

3270
02:30:05,660 --> 02:30:03,061
publicity stunt in and of itself but I I

3271
02:30:08,230 --> 02:30:05,670
don't know I don't know that you think

3272
02:30:11,450 --> 02:30:08,240
it sells more books if you're being sued

3273
02:30:14,060 --> 02:30:11,460
well you know it certainly if you're the

3274
02:30:15,890 --> 02:30:14,070
authors of Holy Blood Holy Grail you

3275
02:30:17,390 --> 02:30:15,900
know it's three people have bought your

3276
02:30:21,470 --> 02:30:17,400
book and now you have this best-selling

3277
02:30:22,850 --> 02:30:21,480
book using similar ideas yeah I think

3278
02:30:25,310 --> 02:30:22,860
wholly brought the Holy Grail actually

3279
02:30:27,490 --> 02:30:25,320
sold quite well well there are a lot of

3280
02:30:30,020 --> 02:30:27,500
things to say about The DaVinci Code you

3281
02:30:34,430 --> 02:30:30,030
know one of the ones that's most

3282
02:30:38,570 --> 02:30:34,440
interesting is its claim toward the end

3283
02:30:39,980 --> 02:30:38,580
of the book that we're witnessing some

3284
02:30:43,671 --> 02:30:39,990
kind of resurgence of the Divine

3285
02:30:47,180 --> 02:30:43,681
Feminine and that's a major point he

3286
02:30:48,921 --> 02:30:47,190
makes in it with Mary Magdalene and you

3287
02:30:51,051 --> 02:30:48,931
know all sorts of other things that you

3288
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:51,061
know would uh and I want to ruin the

3289
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:53,040
plot for the one or two people who left

3290
02:30:57,300 --> 02:30:56,090
you haven't actually read it but um

3291
02:30:59,309 --> 02:30:57,310
[Music]

3292
02:31:02,849 --> 02:30:59,319
this kind of resurgence of the Divine

3293
02:31:06,510 --> 02:31:02,859
Feminine is kind of interesting it I

3294
02:31:08,609 --> 02:31:06,520
find it interesting because yeah there's

3295
02:31:09,960 --> 02:31:08,619
no way they're suppose you could say

3296
02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:09,970
there's a resurgence of the Divine

3297
02:31:15,719 --> 02:31:11,770
Feminine I mean you know you know

3298
02:31:17,340 --> 02:31:15,729
there's you know churches are trying to

3299
02:31:19,380 --> 02:31:17,350
avoid you know what's considered to be

3300
02:31:23,849 --> 02:31:19,390
sexist language and that sort of thing

3301
02:31:25,830 --> 02:31:23,859
but you know what you know anything any

3302
02:31:28,950 --> 02:31:25,840
values that you know would typically be

3303
02:31:33,149 --> 02:31:28,960
considered feminine are really not on

3304
02:31:35,790 --> 02:31:33,159
the upsurge in our society you know

3305
02:31:38,069 --> 02:31:35,800
we're you know I mean what we're seeing

3306
02:31:42,269 --> 02:31:38,079
is kind of this you know this constant

3307
02:31:45,660 --> 02:31:42,279
uh increasing um drive or the power mode

3308
02:31:47,399 --> 02:31:45,670
and the profit motive and you know you

3309
02:31:49,319 --> 02:31:47,409
know all these values that were you know

3310
02:31:51,630 --> 02:31:49,329
traditionally seen as feminine is like

3311
02:31:53,479 --> 02:31:51,640
you know yeah where are they where is

3312
02:31:57,420 --> 02:31:53,489
this resurgence in the Divine Feminine

3313
02:31:59,160 --> 02:31:57,430
now and I think that's one thing that

3314
02:32:01,679 --> 02:31:59,170
makes the book interesting because it

3315
02:32:05,990 --> 02:32:01,689
points to incredible longing for a lot

3316
02:32:08,639 --> 02:32:06,000
of these things uh I think you know it's

3317
02:32:11,130 --> 02:32:08,649
quite debatable whether you know we're

3318
02:32:13,050 --> 02:32:11,140
actually seeing anything like this

3319
02:32:14,819 --> 02:32:13,060
resurgence that he's talking about but I

3320
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:14,829
think there's an enormous thirst for it

3321
02:32:19,429 --> 02:32:16,810
and I think I was one of the most

3322
02:32:22,050 --> 02:32:19,439
interesting things about the book for me

3323
02:32:26,040 --> 02:32:22,060
yeah the whole subject of the black

3324
02:32:30,290 --> 02:32:26,050
madonna I think I mean that's worthy

3325
02:32:34,170 --> 02:32:30,300
almost of an entire para cast show and

3326
02:32:37,519 --> 02:32:34,180
yeah I mean you know the you know as you

3327
02:32:41,069 --> 02:32:37,529
know you know the figure of Mary in

3328
02:32:43,500 --> 02:32:41,079
Christianity Catholicism particularly

3329
02:32:46,229 --> 02:32:43,510
you know has just continued to grow on

3330
02:32:48,780 --> 02:32:46,239
importance you know from you know the

3331
02:32:50,819 --> 02:32:48,790
first century ad you know nobody you

3332
02:32:54,750 --> 02:32:50,829
know had any particular special

3333
02:32:56,969 --> 02:32:54,760
attention to Mary but as the years went

3334
02:32:59,519 --> 02:32:56,979
on and the centuries went on you know

3335
02:33:03,120 --> 02:32:59,529
she became more and more important the

3336
02:33:05,969 --> 02:33:03,130
figure and you know she's you know if

3337
02:33:07,620 --> 02:33:05,979
you just go by the number of Marian

3338
02:33:10,450 --> 02:33:07,630
sightings they're bad I mean you know

3339
02:33:12,830 --> 02:33:10,460
she's certainly more

3340
02:33:15,890 --> 02:33:12,840
important to many people than Jesus or

3341
02:33:18,881 --> 02:33:15,900
God well we should also differentiate

3342
02:33:21,950 --> 02:33:18,891
between Mary the mother of Jesus in the

3343
02:33:26,030 --> 02:33:21,960
Christian tradition and the Magdalene

3344
02:33:27,640 --> 02:33:26,040
who according to you know Holy Blood

3345
02:33:31,341 --> 02:33:27,650
Holy Grail and revisionist

3346
02:33:34,900 --> 02:33:31,351
conspiratorial thinking Mary Magdalene

3347
02:33:38,171 --> 02:33:34,910
was the wife of Christ the Black Madonna

3348
02:33:40,700 --> 02:33:38,181
but that gets into a whole other

3349
02:33:43,160 --> 02:33:40,710
matriarchal sort of subject I don't

3350
02:33:45,860 --> 02:33:43,170
think they have time to cover yeah yeah

3351
02:33:47,841 --> 02:33:45,870
I mean you know I on the face of it

3352
02:33:52,251 --> 02:33:47,851
there's no particular reason to believe

3353
02:33:54,171 --> 02:33:52,261
that Jesus wasn't married um you know

3354
02:33:59,570 --> 02:33:54,181
certainly kind of the standard practice

3355
02:34:01,330 --> 02:33:59,580
for Jewish men in his era um and uh you

3356
02:34:03,980 --> 02:34:01,340
know the chief reason that people

3357
02:34:07,100 --> 02:34:03,990
scholars don't believe Jesus was married

3358
02:34:10,430 --> 02:34:07,110
is that you know when you know like in

3359
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:10,440
in the epistles and whatnot you know

3360
02:34:14,990 --> 02:34:12,000
they're debating about married and that

3361
02:34:17,270 --> 02:34:15,000
sort of being married uh you know no

3362
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:17,280
one's saying well Jesus was married you

3363
02:34:20,421 --> 02:34:18,960
know which is an argument you know had

3364
02:34:22,011 --> 02:34:20,431
it been true they would have you know

3365
02:34:23,421 --> 02:34:22,021
been willing to make I don't know how

3366
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:23,431
much you want to hang on that particular

3367
02:34:29,530 --> 02:34:25,530
point but that is a case that's made

3368
02:34:32,660 --> 02:34:29,540
sometimes Mary Magdalene is you know um

3369
02:34:35,240 --> 02:34:32,670
like Jesus herself like Mary is in many

3370
02:34:38,990 --> 02:34:35,250
ways marrying another Christ is a

3371
02:34:44,060 --> 02:34:39,000
Rorschach blot um uh there's a great

3372
02:34:46,671 --> 02:34:44,070
deal that is not known about her and you

3373
02:34:49,400 --> 02:34:46,681
know the weight or attitudes toward her

3374
02:34:51,591 --> 02:34:49,410
have changed you know over the centuries

3375
02:34:53,301 --> 02:34:51,601
you know probably don't tell us too much

3376
02:34:55,341 --> 02:34:53,311
about Mary Magdalene or who she really

3377
02:34:57,140 --> 02:34:55,351
lies because I you know I'm not sure

3378
02:34:59,751 --> 02:34:57,150
anyone if I was gonna find that out

3379
02:35:01,580 --> 02:34:59,761
anytime soon but it's certainly

3380
02:35:05,330 --> 02:35:01,590
interested in saying like what people's

3381
02:35:07,791 --> 02:35:05,340
cultural aspirations are what you know

3382
02:35:09,410 --> 02:35:07,801
the you know how they see women and how

3383
02:35:11,720 --> 02:35:09,420
they think women are supposed to be seen

3384
02:35:13,131 --> 02:35:11,730
you know well you know Mary Magdalene a

3385
02:35:15,921 --> 02:35:13,141
sort of gone from this you know

3386
02:35:19,791 --> 02:35:15,931
repentant to you know Jesus is

3387
02:35:21,560 --> 02:35:19,801
life to this advanced mystical adapt you

3388
02:35:24,110 --> 02:35:21,570
know I mean it what is it face it says a

3389
02:35:26,360 --> 02:35:24,120
great deal about you know the role of

3390
02:35:28,220 --> 02:35:26,370
in our culture and how they want to be

3391
02:35:31,011 --> 02:35:28,230
seen does it does it say anything about

3392
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:31,021
who Mary Magdalene was really way back

3393
02:35:34,820 --> 02:35:32,970
when not really because it just isn't

3394
02:35:36,801 --> 02:35:34,830
too much evidence about it one way or

3395
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:36,811
the other I'll let you take it from

3396
02:35:40,390 --> 02:35:38,730
there Jeanne you just want to get me in

3397
02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:40,400
trouble my friend that's all

3398
02:35:46,341 --> 02:35:43,050
and this I have no opinion I'm Jewish so

3399
02:35:49,310 --> 02:35:46,351
I have no opinion about that the thing

3400
02:35:51,380 --> 02:35:49,320
is here why do we have such trouble

3401
02:35:53,660 --> 02:35:51,390
figuring out what happened then I mean

3402
02:35:55,700 --> 02:35:53,670
we debate what happened I guess we

3403
02:35:58,761 --> 02:35:55,710
debate what happened last week on the

3404
02:36:01,610 --> 02:35:58,771
24/7 cable news shows so how can we be

3405
02:36:03,710 --> 02:36:01,620
sure what happened 1500 or 2000 years

3406
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:03,720
ago Yeah right

3407
02:36:08,540 --> 02:36:07,050
it's impossible yeah it's that's that's

3408
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:08,550
uh you know I think that's very true

3409
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:14,640
anyone's the given that we're gonna kind

3410
02:36:21,160 --> 02:36:17,610
of paint uh you know our own picture of

3411
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:21,170
you know this kind of mythic event in uh

3412
02:36:28,310 --> 02:36:26,730
you know Western history you know it it

3413
02:36:29,650 --> 02:36:28,320
tells it you know it's a very least

3414
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:29,660
gonna tell us something about ourselves

3415
02:36:34,430 --> 02:36:32,640
you know it may not you know tell us a

3416
02:36:36,770 --> 02:36:34,440
great deal about you know who these

3417
02:36:39,320 --> 02:36:36,780
people really were what they were about

3418
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:39,330
I mean scholars themselves you know

3419
02:36:43,430 --> 02:36:41,280
people who really you know even

3420
02:36:45,140 --> 02:36:43,440
conventional academic scholars you know

3421
02:36:48,140 --> 02:36:45,150
come up with you know very very

3422
02:36:51,591 --> 02:36:48,150
different pictures um uh what was going

3423
02:36:52,730 --> 02:36:51,601
on back then um and you know they say a

3424
02:36:54,920 --> 02:36:52,740
lot about more about their

3425
02:36:57,350 --> 02:36:54,930
preconceptions and prejudices and they

3426
02:36:59,870 --> 02:36:57,360
do about the evidence which is is pretty

3427
02:37:03,320 --> 02:36:59,880
scared so I think you know at the very

3428
02:37:05,570 --> 02:37:03,330
least I kind of you know services a call

3429
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:05,580
for some kind of humility about what we

3430
02:37:11,390 --> 02:37:07,920
may conclude about these things of

3431
02:37:15,380 --> 02:37:11,400
course you know so much has been hung on

3432
02:37:16,910 --> 02:37:15,390
you know historicity um the gospel

3433
02:37:20,420 --> 02:37:16,920
account Mother Jesus was really

3434
02:37:22,580 --> 02:37:20,430
resurrected and so on you know that for

3435
02:37:24,410 --> 02:37:22,590
a lot of people this is you know this is

3436
02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:24,420
a vital matter of faith that they can't

3437
02:37:29,450 --> 02:37:26,970
like really feel they can afford not to

3438
02:37:31,310 --> 02:37:29,460
take a position on you know as little as

3439
02:37:33,620 --> 02:37:31,320
they know about it as well as anybody

3440
02:37:35,390 --> 02:37:33,630
that was about it right and in the

3441
02:37:37,070 --> 02:37:35,400
modern age you're looking at you know

3442
02:37:40,840 --> 02:37:37,080
having to suspend

3443
02:37:43,480 --> 02:37:40,850
disbelief in abductions cryptozoological

3444
02:37:48,230 --> 02:37:43,490
creatures like the Loch Ness monster

3445
02:37:51,290 --> 02:37:48,240
UFOs Barack Obama I mean it doesn't

3446
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:51,300
matter where you look in the modern age

3447
02:37:56,240 --> 02:37:54,240
you have to have a sense of belief that

3448
02:37:59,780 --> 02:37:56,250
everything is going the way it should

3449
02:38:02,540 --> 02:37:59,790
and we all have to trust that we're

3450
02:38:06,890 --> 02:38:02,550
moving in a positive direction when in

3451
02:38:09,170 --> 02:38:06,900
fact the facts kind of show that maybe

3452
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:09,180
things are a little bit more in upheaval

3453
02:38:13,011 --> 02:38:11,040
than maybe we would like to think

3454
02:38:16,190 --> 02:38:13,021
Richard Smalley where can we find more

3455
02:38:20,060 --> 02:38:16,200
of the stuff you do well my books are

3456
02:38:23,570 --> 02:38:20,070
available on Amazon and similar sources

3457
02:38:26,720 --> 02:38:23,580
and bookstores are many places my

3458
02:38:29,060 --> 02:38:26,730
website Richard Smalley dot-com has a

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list of them so you can look there and

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explore various other works of mine that

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would be one place to go okay and when

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you find Chris O'Brien at our strange

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planet calm it's our strange planet calm

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you find us at the Mara cast calm the

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para cast calm Richard Smalley thanks

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for joining us on the power cast thank

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[Music]

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible